Pre-Op or Post Op?

[Rick_]

Which kind of shemales do u like? I only like pre-op,post-op has nasty looking pussys

[mykel73]

Pre-op, I want a girl with a cock between her legs. If she was born with a pussy then thats ok, but a cock is so much better.

[gizmo]

Pre-op only thank's, if I want pussy
I'd rather have a GG!;)

[eliogabalo]

This is a provocation ! I'm the greatest cocksucker of all time !

[guest]

ewww pre op all the way man

[jwest172]

She has to be a pre-op.

[Mirabeau915]

Absolutely pre-op

[y2jericho_82]

I would love to be with either.

[translover]

no discussion, ;)

Of course PRE-OP :inlove:

There is girls who want post-op. :respect:

I like pre-op ladyboys and i like crazy girls who like ladyboys :drool: :inlove:

[ts_lover]

Pre! only pre. if i want post, a take a "real" girl...

[dj8412]

Pre-op nothing better than a big hard dick!

[scotty1090]

i looooove pre-ops

[docdjv]

not sure why but I love looking at a stuff cock between a beautiful woman legs; crazy right

[TranJesus]

pre is better post is just like a real girl

[rrimportracer]

actually i like post op haha =X i get turned on by that

[D2myfriends]

Can I have a longer run with a ladyboy with 8 or less insteeded of a hair pie, I think so. But have not found her, hope too this year. Duane Glendora Ca
:rolleyes::yes:

[hankhavelock]

I'd have to say pre-op - how ever, had I ever run into a sweet post-op I'm sure I would have fallen for her as well. In my world the fascination of and attraction to transsexual women is not solely based on the sexual organs. The transsexual mindset is a beautiful thing...

Peace!

Hank

[asian_ladyboy_lover]

preop, thats the whole point, a beautiful girl, but with a huge juicy cock and big balls. nothing better than that...

[fvillon1]

either is good for me, although pre-op is definatley more intriguing

[oakoner]

pre-op... if i wanted a post op, then i'll just get a girl.

[darkways]

I have to say pre-op. Post-op is a turn off for me

[lickitgemini]

prefer pre-op but dont mind post -op . its the attitude that counts .

[sekretter]

I like Pre-Op better


sometimes I like to imagine that genetic girls are post op "oh man she should have kept her dick" :drool:

[padeligne]

Only pre-ops are real ladyboys. No dick, no beauty. Past-ops have become ordinary girls and attract me as much as dead wood.

[Dells]

Pre-op all the way. I've seen post-op and it just did nothing for me, just seemed strange. Might as well look at the real thing if i wanted that.

[Tt200]

only pre-op

[Tailia]

Pre-op most definitely.

[EbonyTSLover]

I love pre-op the most.

[pickseed]

well i didn't read any responses, assuming they are mostly pre-op (and rightly so..)
it surprises me a bit that some go that distance to become more 'female'..they lose their appeal to many i would assume..it's what makes them special :)

[Excaliborg]

pro-op definately

post-op looks a bit strange sometimes, almost melted

[BlueRaven88]

i like NON-OP but seeings that wasnt there i said pre-op (non-ops are just pre-ops that intend to keep their tool, whereas pre-op are technically still deciding)

ive said it before and ill say it again - SRS - the bane of the TS world

[mcginlay]

pre-op or non-op .....as long as she has a nice dick

[lukespencer]

I'd definitely take a pre-op. Gotta have that dick!

[Tomas]

Pre-op. The cock is a necessity.

[cocklover]

Pre Op..Gotta have that sweet and juicy cock to suck and be fucked by.:coupling::inlove::drool:

[Shemlover]

I don't think I've ever seen what a post-op's pussy looks like, but I'd go for pre-op anyway. The combination of the female body with a cock is what turns me on.

[SweetCharmer]

Pre-op all the way i mean its a no brainer:inlove::coupling::drool:

[mobiryder]

i'm going to have to say both...

but, i have rules...

if the LB is cute and small cock, then i fuck her (bareback)
if the LB has a huge cock, i let her fuck me
if the LB is post-op, then i insist on fucking them in their ass

too many weird shaped post-op vaginas, namely cunts that couldnt fit my cock... plus since i know postops obviously REALLLLLLYYYY want to be women, it drives them crazy when you want to fuck one in the ass when they have (they think) a perfectly good she-vagina!

[shemalesurgeon]

i'm going to have to say both...

but, i have rules...

if the LB is cute and small cock, then i fuck her (bareback)
if the LB has a huge cock, i let her fuck me
if the LB is post-op, then i insist on fucking them in their ass

too many weird shaped post-op vaginas, namely cunts that couldnt fit my cock... plus since i know postops obviously REALLLLLLYYYY want to be women, it drives them crazy when you want to fuck one in the ass when they have (they think) a perfectly good she-vagina!

lol youre a funny dude! One day i picked up a girl at the beach took her home and had sex with her. I had a feeling she was a post op but i was not totally sure and when i asked her (after we had sex already) she totally denied it. to this day im not totally sure about that night :no:

[mobiryder]

lol youre a funny dude! One day i picked up a girl at the beach took her home and had sex with her. I had a feeling she was a post op but i was not totally sure and when i asked her (after we had sex already) she totally denied it. to this day im not totally sure about that night :no:

for ppl like us, it matters not.. ain't life grand?:yes:

[floydthebarber]

Pre pre pre pre. Post op snatches look naaaaaasty...

[mobiryder]

Pre pre pre pre. Post op snatches look naaaaaasty...

i agree... that's when you insist on fucking their asses :)

[apple123]

no no, the cock is an essential part of the shemale, thats wat makes it such a turn on!!!

[knight]

pre-op for me, a girl with a cock is my ideal girl

[2WayStreet]

Pre-op nothing better than a big hard dick!


Never can I agree with you more.
A real girl will do nicely if you want post op

[lpegna]

Pre-Op, of course! I like the look and taste of a little beautiful dick between those femenine legs.

[parisb]

definitely pre-op. I don't understnd the post-op attraction over a regular girl, but i'm sure there are reasons

[rancor169]

prefer non/pre-op but I like both:coupling:

[Eziorssi]

:pI prefer preop because if i want a vagina i take a girl ....

[gunslinger1985]

I only like pre-op. I mean if you go for post-op, then you might as well find a biological woman. The great allure of a transsexual is lost is she has the final sugery, at least it is for me.

[luvasianlb]

Has to be pre op for me. I'm not saying I wouldn't get it on with a post op girl if I found her attractive, but most of the post op pussies I've seen do not look that good. Plus, the big attraction of ladyboys for me is the fact that they look like women right up until you see the cock. In addition, I prefer versatile ladyboys who like to pitch and catch, and with a post op of course that's out the window. I love pussy, but if it wasn't there in the first place, I'd rather mess around with a lady with something extra.

[cumfarter]

pre-op ...pre-op

[mancubraj]

Pre op for sure... love to fondle clitty cock while i fuck...

[transjen]

JEEZ you guys sure know how to make a girl feel welcome, :frown: Jennifer

[alice]

JEEZ you guys sure know how to make a girl feel welcome, :frown: JenniferJennifer I have the utmost respect for all Post-Op Trans-Ladies. They like yourself are now truly who they should have been at birth. I know the transition is a very long and stressful process, not to mention the final step with the SRS. That said I get very excited seeing a lady with a beautiful cock, uncut hopefully.:hug:&:respect:to you and all of the other Post-Ops.

[delsolengel]

Definitely Preop, Hot body with a rock hard cock between their legs!!!!

[equis]

pre-op of course
I like the beautifull small dick and small balls between the feminine legs
it's happy:respect:

[dw26]

I want one with a dick :) (one bigger than mine:turnon:)

[The_Void]

Uh, is this even a question? Pre-op! If I want to look at shemales, I'd like a cock please, if I didn't I'd go look at biological girls.

[jcollinsfeet]

I prefer post op, I think the transformation into a woman is beautiful.

[xerocrush86]

post op ftw! :coupling:

[lbluver]

Pre-op, I want a girl with a cock between her legs. If she was born with a pussy then thats ok, but a cock is so much better.

I had tried both pre and post. Since I like sucking cock, I found somehow pre-ops are much more fun. I had this ladyboy girl friend whom I fucked from
pre-op to post op, and I enjoyed her more when she still has a cock.

Lbluver

[bruce1ee]

pre for sure. just cant really get into that post op thing. like someone mentioned up above, most would rather go after a real lady instead of a postop

[Claire]

I've always liked post-ops. This girl I think is one of the best.

I have included a 'before' picture because she has such a wondeful vagina and some may think she was a GG.

[bobbo_11]

pre op... post op losts 50% of attraction for me...

[michael39]

Pre-op for me. The reality is, if she's beautiful and has a cock, that's fantastic. I have nothing against post-op. I've seen some of the work and to be honest, the pussy often looks great. And, it's my guess that the girl having had the surgery may finally feel complete and that is great. But, it's definitely the cock that brings me to this site and my love of transexuals.

[spike_40]

Which kind of shemales do u like? I only like pre-op,post-op has nasty looking pussys

As a male my partners desires are hers and as a partner I would accept her as she wants to be.
Hey we all have our needs so accept your partner as she is or wants to be and support her all the way, if not the relationship is doomed.

[smlover19]

Pre-op Only!! I like something to play with lol

[zurggie]

why post-op? why girl? with pre-op, u got 3 in 1... there's a hole to fuck, a cock to suck, and a pair of breast to play with.

[Hedonistman]

,,, as 'post op' ?? Anyone who knows they're a girl,, and fulfills her own desires to be more a girl,,,is simply that a girl. So forget the label post op, no labels are necessary to begin w/and post op matters totally not.

[tgsexual]

I prefer non-op.

Pre-op actually means they plan to have Sexual Reassignment Surgery.

Frankly, I think the terms non-op, pre-op and post-op are dated and classist and give the impression that transwoman are not complete until they have undertaken SRS.

The great majority of transwomen these days are, I believe, non-op, but the post-ops seem to carry more influence in activism, particularly in western activism.

I'm not sure of percentages, but pre-ops, who plan to have SRS, often don't feel comforatble with their penis during sex. I'd prefer to be with a transwoman who is comfortable.

SRS doesn't complete a transition, there cannot be complete transition to a female body, though it is a major step for some transwomen in developing an appearance and functionality that makes them happier with their bodies and sex lives.

In my humble opionion, a transwoman should simply refer to any male-2-female person that has a female gender identity and those with surgeries, or planned surgeries should add the prefix of operative or planned operative.

Refering to the majority of transwomen as non-op has a negative and condescending classist vibe about it.

While outdated now, in the past post ops refered to themselves as transsexuals while non-ops were considered mere transgenderists. Today, any transwoman who identifies themself as female is considered a transsexual, regardless of their operative situation or plans.

Unfortunately though, people will probably go on talking about pre-ops and post-ops, reinforcing outdated and classist perceptions.

[timhaas]

I'm sorry, but there is no option for "castrated" LBs in this poll. I think it needs to be!

[tangos89]

post opt 4me

[cumshooter69]

I prefer pre-op, if you want post-op your better off with a real gg.

[CKat]

pre op no question. hottest part of being with a shemale is the fact that she has a cock

[ila]

pre op no question. hottest part of being with a shemale is the fact that she has a cock

The configuration of a woman's genitals doesn't matter to me. The hottest part of being with a woman is that she is a woman.:yes:

[randolph]

The configuration of a woman's genitals doesn't matter to me. The hottest part of being with a woman is that she is a woman.:yes:

I love women and I love transsexuals.
However, there is nothing more erotically exciting than a
beautiful big hard shemale cock standing naked and proud,
waiting to be worshiped. :turnon::inlove:

[ila]

The configuration of a woman's genitals doesn't matter to me. The hottest part of being with a woman is that she is a woman.:yes:

I love women and I love transsexuals.
However, there is nothing more erotically exciting than a
beautiful big hard shemale cock standing naked and proud,
waiting to be worshiped. :turnon::inlove:


When I say woman I am referring to how a person self-identifies. I am not referring to what her genitals look like.

Your statement, randolph, looks like it implies that you don't regard transsexual women as women.

[randolph]

When I say woman I am referring to how a person self-identifies. I am not referring to what her genitals look like.

Your statement, randolph, looks like it implies that you don't regard transsexual women as women.

The reason I love shemale cock is because it is attached to a women.

The terms, transsexual, shemale and ladyboy imply an intermediate condition between man and women. They are unfortunate labels based on genitalia.
That's the way transgendered people have been labeled. Even the term transgendered is a label based on genitalia.
Humans like to label everything, it's human nature.

[Leshko]

pre-op :D :cool:

[Ford]

preop, obviously, like most others I think women do woman better, tgirls offer something even better though. x] every sexual possibility available...

[tbone909]

Both for me,as long as were both into it it doesn't really matter.

[Ekarth]

ya man ofcourse pre-op because if it is post-op then i'll have to buy a strapon for her to get my ass banged and i tell you that plastic toy is no good replacement for a smooth and juicy shemale dick.

[ThirdEyeGirl]

I've noticed that most transsexual women admirers (and I use that term loosely) prefer per-operative transsexual women. Though you all do know that almost all per-operative trans women are planing on having SRS but are unable to do so for one reason or another. They never liked the fact that they have (as I've come to find out a lot of girls refer to their penis as this) a "tumor" between there legs where a slit belongs.
And from my experience of the course of my own transition, most of the transsexual women that I've encountered (be it through support groups, online chat, or other social situations) are pre or post-op.
And further more, don't want to use their penis at all. And just like a lot of cisgendered women, some pre and post-op girls are exit only in reference to the back door. My best friend is one of these pre-op trans girls. She will get her surgery when she can afford it, and her back door is off limits.

Non-op is probably more in tune to what most of you are looking for. A girl that will not have a problem enjoying their penis in sexual situations.
Not to say that non-op girls don't wish that they would have been born as a cis female, but (like myself) they would rather not risk a botched surgery (very low percentage of occurrence, but the risk is there) when they can derive pleasure from what they already have.
And being someone who is also attracted to a non-op trans girl. I know we are very few and far between.

As for those of you that are using the term "ladyboy". That is a direct translation from the thai work "kathoey". So every time someone on here says they like ladyboys. I think of a thai girl.
And for "shemale". That's a term used almost exclusively to describe a non-op (or even pre-op) transsexual porn actress. A lot of these porn actresses cycle their hormones in order to either sustain an erection or so they can have ejaculate that is white (or even passably both). There are girls out there that are able to ejaculate without cycling their hormones, but in most cases that just seminal fluid, no semen there to turn it white. And there are even some (like myself) who have stopped ejaculating all together. That's not to say these girls are unable to obtain a orgasm (or multiple ;)), just that there is no proof of it as is the case with most cis women who don't ejaculate.
I know there are some girls that don't do any kind of porn that don't mind being called this term at all. But than there are a lot more who do (I'm one that minds).
Terms like "ladyboy", "shemale", "dick-girl", "slut", "whore", so on and so forth are objectifying. But if that's what you guys are looking for... I'm sure there are girls out there willing to be your sex slave. But know that the majority of women (cis and trans) don't like to be objectified. So if your looking to pursue a relationship. I'd advise against using these terms unless the girl has said it was ok.

Now for all the ungendering I've seen in this post. Though the mods have already notified everybody in this thread of it already. I just thought I'd clarify it for you all. :)
A transsexual woman is a real girl and a gg (genetic girl). There was a study (in Sweden I believe) in the early noughties (that's 2000 to 2009 for those that don't know) where a sample of pre and post transition transsexual women (meaning before and after hormone treatment) cadavers to see if their brain chemistry and make up were similar or not to cis female brains. The study showed that they were in fact identical.
So it's been proven that transsexual women are truly female brained. So saying that they are not true or real women is a false misconception.

Now if your looking for a more accurate and less offensive way of labeling people. Add transgendered and cisgendered to your vocabularies.
The meaning of the two;
Transgendered: is a general term applied to a variety of individuals, behaviors, and groups involving tendencies to vary from culturally conventional gender roles. So transsexuals, cross-dressers, drag queens and kings, transvestites, gender-queer, bi-gender, and even some intersex people fit into that category. For more in depth explanation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender
Cisgendered: is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex. For more in depth explanation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

Hope I've expanded the minds of at least a few people. ;)

I'm sorry, but there is no option for "castrated" LBs in this poll. I think it needs to be!

I think castration is to broad of a word and is mainly referenced towards men (when the general public is concerned). Maybe we could refer to those girls as orchtified or orkie (Orchiectomy is the procedure of removing the testicles) trans girls. *shrug*
It's just that the word castration is such an ugly word in my opinion, and probably same for other girls.

Though I am curious of why you prefer a girl who has had their orkiectomy?

[maracujaca]

For some reason I always found vaginas unattractive and useless and men don't turn me on, so one day I hired a "shemale" and everything was as it should be.

I understand why most transexual girls or whatever they want to be called do not feel themselves as girls with dicks, but I do not understand why they feel that it is an insult that some of us want just that. A real girl with a real dick.

[ThirdEyeGirl]

For some reason I always found vaginas unattractive and useless and men don't turn me on, so one day I hired a "shemale" and everything was as it should be.

I understand why most transexual girls or whatever they want to be called do not feel themselves as girls with dicks, but I do not understand why they feel that it is an insult that some of us want just that. A real girl with a real dick.

Well it's not that we deny what we are or scorn (for the most part) those who are attracted to our kind.
It's just that the term "dick girl" is derogatory, and demeaning. It's as if you were to call a cis girl on the street a "skank", "ho", or "bitch".

The sad fact is that most who are attracted to transgendered people, get their attraction from porn (most cases). And that can lead to the person developing a "fetish" for trans, and want to act out what he or she sees from porn. And in a lot of cases, most girls don't want to be treated that way and do not enjoy it. I know because I am one of those girls who had (recently) had an experience with such a guy.
But it really shouldn't matter what's between our legs. Doesn't make us any less of a woman or a man (added man in there for the trans men :p). I mean to call us "shemale", "dick girl", or "ladyboy" makes (most) of us think that all you care about is our bodies and not about us as a whole (with the exception of girls that call them selfs that).
I mean it's perfectly fine for you to have a preference, hell I share the same preference. But make sure to no offend the people that you are attracted to or you'll only have your fantasies, and no experiences (unless your willing to pay for it).
Because the most exposure any of us trans people out there get, is sadly porn and it's over exaggerated portrait of trans men and women. The average trans person is nothing like the ones you see in porn, except for perhaps body.

[Alana TG]

JEEZ you guys sure know how to make a girl feel welcome, :frown: Jennifer

I guess I'm one of the few here that are attracted to non- pre- or post-op ladies.........so here's a :hug:
:)

[moonvisage]

definately Pre Op for me also.

[bigboy4012]

I like girls, so that would include anybody with a pussy, wether they always had it or not. However, the reason I come on this forum is because I like the idea of being with a girl with something extra in the pantie department, so I suppose I prefer transexuals to have a cock.

However, I realise many women make the transition for many other reasons other then to please the male membership of this forum, and I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to not have the surgery that would make them happy simply because I like perving over girls with cocks on this website.

Hope that makes sence!

Although, there are some models who I hope don't go down the avenue of going post op. Such as Mint, Mariana Cordoba and Angeles Cid. However, since they make money specifically from having long dicks, and are very lucky in the first place to be so well endowed with cocks that many of us would give our right arm for, I would hope they are happy the way they are and never change!

[rb654321]

For me nothing is better thatn a nice cock with an empty sac under it.

So much fun licking sucking teasing an empty sac, mmmmmmmmmm.:turnon:

[BentOverBitch]

Pre-op for me all the way because it helped me learn so much about myself. Like what a fantastic cum guzzling cocksucker I am! LOL Besides, it would make my username obsolete.

[littletwink]

Sexually, I am only interested in pre-op.

For all other aspects of a friendship or relationship, though, pre-op or post-op do not matter to me, because the wholeness of a person is far more than just their physical identity.

[dan]

Of course, we’re all gathered on this forum because we have a particular interest in transsexual women. This interest might be intellectual, might be of course sexual, might also be only curiosity, and might reach full emotional fascination. The risk we run in allowing ourselves to any such inclinations is to confuse fantasy and reality. Anyone decent who would build a relationship with a transsexual woman would care for her well being first, it seems to me, and not merely for his sexual satisfaction. Now, as it’s been said in this thread (ThirdEyeGirl, most eloquently amongst others), most of them seeks almost desperately the complete physical transition to fit their inner feeling of gender belonging, which they find in the gender reassignment surgery. A small number will, for many different reasons, decide not to go through with that, but will necessarily eventually have to cope with the long term effects of both the hormone replacement therapy and the androgen inhibitors, which are bound to diminish the capacity to “use” the penis actively.
What pornography present to us as the “shemale” is largely a fantasy that has little to do with the situation of these women. We might of course enjoy it and draw sexual satisfaction from it (I do it myself and I love it), but we should always keep in mind that we’re in the realm of the imagination more than anything. Even more so on this forum, considering the privilege granted to us by several transsexual women, gathering with us to exchange and relate. We owe them indeed at least as much as render them such minimal respect.
This being said, should we prefer pre-op or post-op (or indeed non-op)? I find that we should prefer the person with what she feels more comfortable with. There’s nothing as beautiful as a woman who feel good about herself, who’s happy and confident. Nothing more radiant and appealing. Nothing more attractive nor sexier. And that’s what I would be looking for.

[Alana TG]

I must say Dan, that YOU were very eloquent in the above post......and if I'm not being too forward......I'm a little turned-on by your prose. :yes: :kiss:

[ThirdEyeGirl]

I must say Dan, that YOU were very eloquent in the above post......and if I'm not being too forward......I'm a little turned-on by your prose. :yes: :kiss:

I second that sentiment. :blush:

[dan]

Thank you both, Alana and ThirdEyeGirl. And thank you kindly and warmly for your presence here amongst us. ;)

[curiousguy]

i want post op. nothing yummier than a load down my throat!!!

[Ana Mancini]

Personally I like Pre. if I want some pussy I will find a real girl.

:lol:

[caminds]

No offence to anybody, but i don't see the value proposition in a post-op. Best just get a genetic/born woman for a fuck, no?

I think the essence of a pre-op is the cock and feminine features, let's not beat around the bush here. :p

[dan]

No offence to anybody, but i don't see the value proposition in a post-op. Best just get a genetic/born woman for a fuck, no?

I think the essence of a pre-op is the cock and feminine features, let's not beat around the bush here. :p

Of course, a woman with a little extra is adorable. But why would you consider that a post-op t-woman is less attractive than a gg? I think this is implicitly affirmed in your post. Why would you think something like that? If a woman is lovely with a penis, why wouldn?t she still be lovely without it? why wouldn?t she be every bit as lovely with a vagina? It?s the general attitude and charm of a person that makes what we call the beauty. Your post suggests a fixation on the cock in a woman, which would reveal much more of a fantasy than an opinion on reality ?at least I hope it would. If this is really your opinion, I find you should make the difference in language.
T-women are women. The beauty they possess as women and as persons remains the same whether they have a penis or a vagina. If, or when, you think otherwise, you show you situate yourself in the realm of fantasy and imaginative desire. Which is fine; there?s nothing wrong with that. But then again you have to make such a difference. There?s many transsexual women on this forum who go through the harsh daily reality of having to cope with a crushing amount of misunderstanding and criticism, and who?s everyday life is filled with intimate and social conflicts. You might want to take this into account.

[smc]

No offence to anybody, but i don't see the value proposition in a post-op. Best just get a genetic/born woman for a fuck, no?

I think the essence of a pre-op is the cock and feminine features, let's not beat around the bush here. :p

I find this to be one of the most offensive posts on this site in a very long time. It is one thing to express the opinion that one prefers the vagina of a GG over a post-op transwoman for purely sexual reasons. It is another thing altogether to refer to there being a "value proposition" with respect to post-op transwomen.

The term "value proposition" is a business term, rarely used in any other context, that refers to a promise of value delivered, and a belief that such value will be experienced, by a customer or client obtaining a product or service. Using the term "value proposition" in the context of sex with a post-op transwoman is, in my opinion, one of the most abject instances of objectification I have seen on this site. And I've seen a lot.

Shameful!

If ever there was proof of a point I've made over and over -- that words and language matter -- this is it!

[Alana TG]

"Men in shining armor"....thank you Dan & SMC. :respect: :hug: :kiss:

Of course, a woman with a little extra is adorable. But why would you consider that a post-op t-woman is less attractive than a gg? I think this is implicitly affirmed in your post. Why would you think something like that? If a woman is lovely with a penis, why wouldn?t she still be lovely without it? why wouldn?t she be every bit as lovely with a vagina? It?s the general attitude and charm of a person that makes what we call the beauty. Your post suggests a fixation on the cock in a woman, which would reveal much more of a fantasy than an opinion on reality ?at least I hope it would. If this is really your opinion, I find you should make the difference in language.
T-women are women. The beauty they possess as women and as persons remains the same whether they have a penis or a vagina. If, or when, you think otherwise, you show you situate yourself in the realm of fantasy and imaginative desire. Which is fine; there?s nothing wrong with that. But then again you have to make such a difference. There?s many transsexual women on this forum who go through the harsh daily reality of having to cope with a crushing amount of misunderstanding and criticism, and who?s everyday life is filled with intimate and social conflicts. You might want to take this into account.

I find this to be one of the most offensive posts on this site in a very long time. It is one thing to express the opinion that one prefers the vagina of a GG over a post-op transwoman for purely sexual reasons. It is another thing altogether to refer to there being a "value proposition" with respect to post-op transwomen.

The term "value proposition" is a business term, rarely used in any other context, that refers to a promise of value delivered, and a belief that such value will be experienced, by a customer or client obtaining a product or service. Using the term "value proposition" in the context of sex with a post-op transwoman is, in my opinion, one of the most abject instances of objectification I have seen on this site. And I've seen a lot.

Shameful!

If ever there was proof of a point I've made over and over -- that words and language matter -- this is it![/COLOR]

[TheExplorer]

I woul call a post-op shemale a female. A shemale is a human who has different senses, understanding, a lifestyle than men and has a body look like a woman with a cock.

Shemales are shemales definitely with cocks, if no cock, then they are some far away from being a shemale for me

[gasgase]

both are equally good...

[Supersharpshooter]

Pre op, post op, no op, it makes no difference to me, Id fuck a frog if it stopped hopping for long enough :p

[APACHE]

She has to be pre-op. I need a nice hard cock to play with.

[shawnx]

pre op for sure, to me being with a post op would be just being with a woman, so i would just rather be with a real woman, i think the biggest attraction with most guys towards tgirls is the cock

[Supersharpshooter]

pre op for sure, to me being with a post op would be just being with a woman, so i would just rather be with a real woman, i think the biggest attraction with most guys towards tgirls is the cock

Now, for me, I dont really care if a girl has a cock or not, it isn't what would first attract me to them, it never has been.

I will not suck cock or let anything go up my arse, maybe a bit selfish on my part, but thats just me.

I find Kimber James deeply desirable, the fact she has/had a cock is irrelevant, to me anyway. I would still love to have my way with her. The same goes for many other 't' girls I have had the pleasure of meeting.

Id also say that I consider all 't' girls to be 'real' women. I believe, wrongly or rightly that a persons gender is decided in their mind, not in their physical attributes.

I shall now step down from my high horse :cool:

[Alana TG]

I consider all 't' girls to be 'real' women. I believe, wrongly or rightly that a persons gender is decided in their mind, not in their physical attributes.

I shall now step down from my high horse :cool:

That was very well said :respect:.....there's no need to step down from your "high horse". Your words are appreciated. :hug:

[knewbi]

Pre-op for sure. It's that stiff cock that gets me going and if it is attached to a girl all the better... Have yet to try one but I will some day. had my fair share of great guys though.

[rebelfan1973]

All transgendered women are real women, first off, and second who ever fell in love with a penis or a vagina before they fell in love with the person it was attached to first.

[rb654321]

I like them best when the cocks are still there, but the balls are gone.:)

[ready2fight]

I like both! Pre op are more attractive, because dick attached to girl body are unbelievable.
But post-op i like to fuck double hole and i like how it's look like)

[ready2fight]

One of my favourite post-ops

[Mark_L]

Definitely pre-op for me.

[man74tiop2]

i like NON-OP but seeings that wasnt there i said pre-op (non-ops are just pre-ops that intend to keep their tool, whereas pre-op are technically still deciding)

ive said it before and ill say it again - SRS - the bane of the TS world

Blue's contribution here is a few years old but best expresses my view. 'Nuff said.