View Full Version : Ungendering and a Lack of Respect
Recently there have been some comments on here which ungender the transwomen of the world. This is not something new on here, but there have never been as many comments at one time as there has been in the last week.
By ungendering I mean making statements that ciswomen are "real women" and by inference that transwomen aren't real. As transwomen are real women then one is taking away transwomen's gender by inferring that they are not real women. Still other statements have referred to ciswomen as women and females whereas in the same post transwomen have been referred as tgirls. This is just another way to ungender transwomen by inferring that transwomen are neither women nor female. The men on here claim to love/admire/want transwomen and yet statements that ungender transwomen show a great lack of respect.
I am sure that some members have made these statements without realizing how hurtful it can be. There are still others that have made such statements knowing full well what the impact is.
I would like to remind the men here to show more respect to all transwomen. Please do not refer to ciswomen as the only real women. Remember that transwomen are real women and they are female.
To put this in perspective I would ask the men to think of how they would feel if they were referred to as she or her or any other feminine term. If you are offended or feel uncomfortable or even pissed off then you are on the path to realizing how a transwoman feels when she is ungendered.
To get a better perspective on this subject I encourage you to click on the link below. It will take you to the thread Real Girls which was started by Bionca.
http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=3444
shadows
11-16-2009, 07:16 AM
I will say that I have seen examples of what you are talking about, Ila. I have tried correcting a couple of the members, but I am not sure if I was stepping on any toes being a new member myself.
I cannot be sure but it could stem from the fact that a few members view their adoration/love as a kink or as merely a physical outlet for their desires.
To me, they are women. More importantly they are fellow human beings and not merely an object of desire to me.
Bionca
11-17-2009, 06:29 PM
A big thank you bump!
9yneGuy
11-17-2009, 11:48 PM
I'll just share my story and I'm guessing a lot of the people who use "real woman" are/were in the same boat as I used to be in.
I've never met a transgendered person in my life. I've always respected their choices and lifestyles but I knew little about them or the "terms" describing them. I became interested in t-girls through porn. But beyond porn, I knew little to nothing. I joined this site, and I didn't know the "lingo" so to speak. I'm fairly certain that I used the term "real girl" at least once. But I didn't know that it was offensive; I just didn't know of another term to use. I saw that it was offensive and I immediately stopped using it. I found out that the term to use is "genetic girl" or "g-girl" and I use that now. I've always knew that t-girls are real girls. There's never been a time in my life where I've denied that fact. Women are women, no matter what sexual organ they have.
I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in here. Just to say that not everyone who used that term is a bad guy here, especially if they use it without really knowing how bad it is. Hopefully the people who read this and still use the term will shape up and stop using it.
Bionca
11-27-2009, 11:20 AM
I'll just share my story and I'm guessing a lot of the people who use "real woman" are/were in the same boat as I used to be in.
I've never met a transgendered person in my life. I've always respected their choices and lifestyles but I knew little about them or the "terms" describing them. I became interested in t-girls through porn. But beyond porn, I knew little to nothing. I joined this site, and I didn't know the "lingo" so to speak. I'm fairly certain that I used the term "real girl" at least once. But I didn't know that it was offensive; I just didn't know of another term to use. I saw that it was offensive and I immediately stopped using it. I found out that the term to use is "genetic girl" or "g-girl" and I use that now. I've always knew that t-girls are real girls. There's never been a time in my life where I've denied that fact. Women are women, no matter what sexual organ they have.
I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in here. Just to say that not everyone who used that term is a bad guy here, especially if they use it without really knowing how bad it is. Hopefully the people who read this and still use the term will shape up and stop using it.
I like this and I can almost see using "real girl" if you didn't know better. My only problem is that it is still a pretty thoughtless word choice. I mean literally, little thought used in choosing that word. Because if you think about it for a little bit, the opposite of "real" is "fake". Given the nature of the conversations, I'm sure that thinking about precise meaning behind word is not high on the list of priorities - so it happens (lots)
I think problems start when guys get corrected and then launch into post after post defending their right to use "real girl" and to make it clear that trans women are not, in fact, "real women". These are the guys this needs to reach. This is why it is better for you guys to do the right thing and tell your fellow dudes that trans women are Real and women.
It's time to bump this thread to the front again. Recently I've seen a lot of use of the terms real women, real girls, "she", his, and several other terms that have been ungendering transwomen. I am not bumping this thread to admonish any particular member or members. Rather I am using this opportunity to provide enlightenment for those that would like to know the correct terms to use and also to show why some terms are hurtful.
aw9725
04-17-2010, 11:37 PM
I?ll add my bump as well. Unfortunately, I?m not sure whether or not the ungendering that occurs on here is just careless--or if it is intentionally disrespectful. I sincerely hope that it is the former and those who are guilty of it will stop and think about what they're saying.
Dr. A
IronCity
04-18-2010, 06:16 PM
I 100% see transgirls as women and if ever given the opportunity to date one I would treat them as such. Saying that they are anything but women is a total insult and should not be tolerated. I hope one day I can find true love with a transWOMAN.
that is why i too dont get the endless questions posted here : am I gay??? they are women!!!!! plain and simple (at least to me) so how can you be gay.... not that it matters to me if people think I am ... i could care less. deep down inside you know if you are gay or not. A girl with a cock (IMO) is an added bonus. I love girls with a vagina or a sexy cock. ITs not all about sex.. (unless thats all your looking for ..escorts). It is about how you make each other feel in and out of bed. I think finding a girl with a cock would be a dream come true. I want a girl... a best friend.. a lover...a trusting honest relationship with a woman... if she has a penis ... all the better.
I 100% see transgirls as women and if ever given the opportunity to date one I would treat them as such. Saying that they are anything but women is a total insult and should not be tolerated. I hope one day I can find true love with a transWOMAN.
that is why i too dont get the endless questions posted here : am I gay??? they are women!!!!! plain and simple (at least to me) so how can you be gay.... not that it matters to me if people think I am ... i could care less. deep down inside you know if you are gay or not. A girl with a cock (IMO) is an added bonus. I love girls with a vagina or a sexy cock. ITs not all about sex.. (unless thats all your looking for ..escorts). It is about how you make each other feel in and out of bed. I think finding a girl with a cock would be a dream come true. I want a girl... a best friend.. a lover...a trusting honest relationship with a woman... if she has a penis ... all the better.
Well said. :respect:
The Conquistador
04-18-2010, 06:38 PM
I?ll add my bump as well. Unfortunately, I?m not sure whether or not the ungendering that occurs on here is just careless--or if it is intentionally disrespectful. I sincerely hope that it is the former and those who are guilty of it will stop and think about what they're saying.
Dr. A
I think that most of the people who visit are just here for the tranny pics; odds are they rarely bother to read anything outside of the Freebies and Shemale Chat sections. If people take the time to stop and read this thread and a few from the General Discussion section, they will be alot more informed.
I urge visitors to read this thread but it seems that the naked pictures will continue to take precedence over a handful of words...:(
ImAlittleCurious
04-21-2010, 01:27 PM
I'll try and add a few things. I know. I am still fairly new here. And might have said a thing or two, that might seem "Disrespectful." And I'm sorry for that.
Most of it has to do with.. Stepping into a new community. And at the same time being scared of fully admitting I'm into these woman..
I'll try and add a few things. I know. I am still fairly new here. And might have said a thing or two, that might seem "Disrespectful." And I'm sorry for that.
Most of it has to do with.. Stepping into a new community. And at the same time being scared of fully admitting I'm into these woman..
This is a good community within which to overcome your fear.
IronCity
04-22-2010, 12:34 PM
I'll try and add a few things. I know. I am still fairly new here. And might have said a thing or two, that might seem "Disrespectful." And I'm sorry for that.
Most of it has to do with.. Stepping into a new community. And at the same time being scared of fully admitting I'm into these woman..
I dont think people like you are the issue here....if you are new to the site or new to the liking of or exploring of trans-women you may on occasion make some mistakes but you are here to learn and be educated and to learn from your mistakes. I too on occasion have to think about what I am writing to not accidentally offend anyone.(as I am new to this world and excited to be here) I think this post is more directed to people knowing that what they are posting is disrespectful and doing it anyway
MY 2 cents.:)
I think this post is more directed to people knowing that what they are posting is disrespectful and doing it anyway.
We have certainly had our share of those kinds of posts. Even worse, perhaps, are the ones that may not be consciously disrespectful, but when the disrespect is pointed out the member becomes belligerent. Those are the days that make me wonder what I was thinking when I agreed to be a moderator!
d332_dot_com
04-22-2010, 03:44 PM
I myself have used "genetic girl" to differentiate from tgirls. Usually this is used in a context of meditating on some trans community issues.
I do notice many transgirls appending T- CD- TV- to their avatar and handles online. I think this is purely to forewarn other guys of who they are....after having heard so many stories of men who get bent out of shape once they find out what's behind the curtains.
If it was up to me, I would do away with "trans-" and "transgender" altogether. Plain vanilla "girl" is simplicity personified.
As for how insulted guys would feel if someone called them a "she" or a "her" well, in the gay culture, it's quite common to call each other b*tches, girls, and whatnot. And in the mainstream culture, I am increasing seeing girls called each other "guys" and even "dudes." Even a man's man (raised eyebrows) are getting so high maintenance and sensitive these days, I'm shocked nobody has started to call them girls.
I know it's one of those asymmetrical things where girls have more freedom than guys. But I believe language shapes reality and perception. The more people use the standard pronouns interchangeably, (hopefully) there will come a day when people begin to realize that gender is dynamic. Not something written in stone and permanent.
:respect:
franalexes
05-07-2010, 09:15 AM
As for how insulted guys would feel if someone called them a "she" or a "her" well, in the gay culture, it's quite common to call each other b*tches, girls, and whatnot. And in the mainstream culture, I am increasing seeing girls called each other "guys" and even "dudes." Even a man's man (raised eyebrows) are getting so high maintenance and sensitive these days, I'm shocked nobody has started to call them girls.
:
I wonder if we should start a thread to discuss wether Ila, SMC, shadows or even SSL are "real guys". :confused:
Don't worry about my idea. I've had my butt kicked before.:eek:
Mel Asher
05-07-2010, 04:17 PM
I am a little disquieted by some of the views expressed in this thread. I count myself as one perhaps of many who have grown to love and respect Transgenders and Transgenderism, and who must, on more than one occasion, in my clumsy attempts to express enthusiasm, or an honest opinion, caused offence by using terms which a number of members might take offence at; offence where innocently none is intended. Often the quickness to take offence is linked to the unhappy personal life experiences of the person offended.
This is a forum for frank and open discussion. Let's be just a little bit careful about loping an Orwellian mentality towards those less informed than oneself.
Education, especially on other peoples' sensitivies, takes time, so beware of becoming ' holier than thou '.
:respect: and share
Before anyone takes offence at this thread I would like to say that it was not directed at any individual. I started this thread after corresponding with a couple of the ladies on this site and listening to their concerns. At the time there were a lot of disparaging remarks about transwomen.
This thread has nothing to do with being PC nor having a holier than thou attitude. Rather the purpose is to encourage members to be respectful to the ladies that we care about.
JodieTs
05-09-2010, 04:10 PM
There is also the circumstance & context of how and where something is said.
I think it's fine on a trans site, to differentiate between:
A female who has a trans background
and
a female who does not.
As to what that term should be, well:, that where the difficulties start.
Let me explain:
Real girl or RG. Well most Ts's will take offence to varying degrees.
Real as opposed to fake or trick
(As in "she had a cock, I had no idea, I was tricked, so that made it ok to kill her" >>>>& the courts nod in agreement & give a minimal sentence )
The girl bit of that phase, suggests not mature enough to think for ourselves or that we should
mindlessly nod and agree with you, all knowing & all wise {like frak!}
Oh, BTW, we are not girls, as we are all old enough to vote. ;)
Genetic girl (or GG) Differentiates us & yes it is technically correct.
{IS persons acknowledged}
It does differentiate us from other women so context in how it is used & by whom [new to trans forums and unknowing about ts etiquette or longer here & should know better]
Natal woman is more acceptable
Trans, even more so
[But not for post-op women, in which case they should always be referred to as women, everywhere, UNLESS THEY THEMSELVES refer to their past {emphasis} history]
It is when a term is used to in some degree belittle us or dehumanise us,
that there is an issue.
Which I'm sure both myself & other ts women here will rightly jump upon.
There is the education aspect as well.
Which can give a greater understanding on how we think & what may be perceived as offensive.
One of my exe's [an 11 year post-op Ts woman] uses the following term in places like here:
Day-one woman>>>>>A woman from the day they were born
&
Not Day-one woman>>>>>A woman at some point after their birth.
Which seems to apply to Post-op, Pre-op & non-op Ts women.
In mainstream life however,
The term: Woman, will suffice.
oldawg
05-23-2010, 06:40 PM
As is often the case, & the reason why I usually stay out of these conversations, by the time I'm done reading the entire thread I'm so damn confused as to whos who, whats what & why people are offended that I keep to myself & dont get into it.
However, for me its important to say that in my world, if you consider yourself a girl, then youre a girl. A boy, then a boy. If that bothers you, woman & man will do, no harm, no foul. Any explanation beyond that is or should be between the two people discussing it anyway.
As far as I see it, its all about respect, & ultimately that comes down to the individual (& the couple).
oldawg
aw9725
05-23-2010, 08:54 PM
That's exactly what I have found. I would think that most of the members here would like my posts--but that doesn't seem to be the case. Or people take things out of context or only read part of a post. And then respond negatively to that. I have tried to be a supportive member of this forum but I have decided that enough is enough--I'm through!
mightygor
05-29-2010, 12:02 PM
This is all crazy talk...when we extract the societal presumptions of sexual roles(i.e reproducing vessel vs protective warrior) it all devolves to just plain ol' rubbing. Yes, I am looking at TS images and accept the arousal that transpires. But I would not classify that arousal as anything more than wanting to love and be loved; to run and be rubbed. Aren't we pretty much the same under and outside of our own skin? Establishing the terms with which we dub one another is just part of the foreplay. I'll stop...for now.
davecess
06-03-2010, 01:26 AM
The way I see it every individual should be taken on their own merit. I don't see why a T-girl should be afforded any more or less respect than a G-girl.
The thing that seems to be common with most T-girls is that they revel in their feminity and love to be appreciated for it. Some G-girls seem to just take their femininity for granted and either don't want to, or have forgotten how to, express it.
Bionca
06-07-2010, 08:35 PM
... or there is more than one way to express femininity...
tonywaits
06-07-2010, 09:50 PM
I know quite a few transgendered people in real life and it really pisses me off at the people that will call them he or she just by what is between their legs, not what they want to be or be referred as. I have a friend named Bri, born Brad, and I find it appalling at the people that still call her Brad. To me it is just disrespectful. I am trying to get her to let me do a photo shoot, so I can post them on here. No nudity I'm sure. LOL:cool:
outofmymind
06-17-2010, 11:58 PM
Thank you very much for creating this thread.
grace gmore
06-20-2010, 01:33 PM
we are all beings and I was just born with a defect my body didnt match my mind sorry but I aam and always will be a woman despite any appearances....Grace A woman always just wish my body matched but I will smile anyhow tee hee
Magnetical
06-23-2010, 11:06 PM
Hi, Ila. Great post. I don't really post here often but I enjoy reading people's perspectives on the whole "trans" gender issue because my girlfriend happens to be a transexual girl and she directed me to this site a long time ago and I read a thought-provoking post so I signed up.
In your defence, I imagine it must be frustrating when men use this site to express their hidden fantasies about being with trans-gendered women as opposed to biological women. However, in their defence, I can understand the infatuation; it's only natural to be curious. But guys, being guys, can obviously get a bit crass - we're an uneducated lot that need slow and steady teaching.
In my personal experience, I've witnessed the broad spectrum of this subject, but I don't presume to understand. I live in the central business district of Sydney (home of Mardi Gras). This is not to insinuate that you belong in a category, I'm merely saying that where I come from probably better equips me for this topic better than most men. I am fortunate enough to be surrounded by a circle of friends who come from all walks of life and sexuality that generally reserves judgement. Maybe this social standing helps me a bit better, maybe it doesn't. I can't say for sure.
However, in my ignorance and perhaps bohemian upbringing, I've never really looked at transgendered women as "TRANSgendered" per se. This is perhaps either cute or stupid. That my girlfriend happens to have a penis is really only subjective in the fact that it's part of her anatomy. Maybe she might have had a vagina, whatever; that's not what attracted me to her because she wasn't naked when I met her.
Sometimes she gets really quiet on this issue and so I don't say anything because I don't want to upset her by seeming pushy, but I know she thinks about it. She broaches the subject sometimes but then falls silent. How can I better understand her? Part of me wants to tell her she's beautiful and to shut up etc but I know that sounds a bit shallow and lacking empathy. Any advice would be appreciated.
Thank you for an informative post. You've given me a better appreciation and I hope I can see things a bit better now. All the best.
franalexes
06-25-2010, 09:13 PM
Women are meant to be loved; not understood.:rolleyes:
valentinetabitha
06-26-2010, 12:33 AM
I'm glad this thread exists, largely because it helps me figure out how to properly word my posts. While I've been posting here for a while, I'm not all that involved in the transgendered community. I'm here to learn, and to experience as much of the community as I can since I don't have the option of "coming out" publically any time soon (if ever).
sesame
07-13-2010, 03:39 PM
Women are meant to be loved; not understood.Women!!!
The fairer sex!
The better half!
Those graceful creatures!:p
Who can understand them? (when women are incapapable of understanding themselves!)
Women almost always are proud. They have the misconception that the world revolves around themselves. They are frequently offended and holler a big drama out of thin air! All their speeches & actions are focussed on drawing attention, preferrably of the "darker?" sex (men).
If you want to have sex with her, she will call you "lustful, lewd, salacious"!
If you dont ask her for sex, she will complain of being ignored, "not loved anymore"!
Its futile to understand them, for there is nothing to understand.
I think its the hormones!
Women!!!
The fairer sex!
The better half!
Those graceful creatures!:p
Who can understand them? (when women are incapapable of understanding themselves!)
Women almost always are proud. They have the misconception that the world revolves around themselves. They are frequently offended and holler a big drama out of thin air! All their speeches & actions are focussed on drawing attention, preferrably of the "darker?" sex (men).
If you want to have sex with her, she will call you "lustful, lewd, salacious"!
If you dont ask her for sex, she will complain of being ignored, "not loved anymore"!
Its futile to understand them, for there is nothing to understand.
I think its the hormones!
Aren't stereotypes and generalizations comforting? :no:
sesame
07-13-2010, 04:50 PM
Believe me, they are!:yes:
Believe me, they are!:yes:
I guess the appropriate response, then, is speak for yourself. I am sure you speak for most others, too. Personally, I find they make me feel diminished and so I work really hard to avoid making them when it comes to people and types/classes/categories/etc. of people.
sesame
07-14-2010, 03:30 AM
True, but yet again, not completely.
Types, classes, categories are an integral part of science.
Sociology, psychology, behavior patterns are also true.
Dont take my description of feminine behavior too seriously though.;)
vampi
08-17-2010, 02:11 PM
:respect:A lot of transwomen are great people in heart and soul. However a lot of men who like them can't ignore the fact that the pre-ops have cock and maybe they look with fetiche. I feel it bothers many Tgirls.
I could understand those gg who are worried about this for obvious reason.
Enoch Root
08-17-2010, 04:22 PM
:respect:A lot of transwomen are great people in heart and soul. However a lot of men who like them can't ignore the fact that the pre-ops have cock and maybe they look with fetiche. I feel it bothers many Tgirls.
I could understand those gg who are worried about this for obvious reason.
"Look with fetiche"???
:respect:A lot of transwomen are great people in heart and soul. However a lot of men who like them can't ignore the fact that the pre-ops have cock and maybe they look with fetiche. I feel it bothers many Tgirls.
"Look with fetiche"???
I could be wrong, but I believe vampi means that some transwomen are bothered by the fact that many men fetishize the fact that they have cocks, whereas the transwoman may prefer to be seen as someone who does not have a cock.
Vampi, please correct me if that is not what you mean.
vampi
08-18-2010, 10:52 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe vampi means that some transwomen are bothered by the fact that many men fetishize the fact that they have cocks, whereas the transwoman may prefer to be seen as someone who does not have a cock.
Vampi, please correct me if that is not what you mean.
Almost.
I meant that many of them want to be seen more as a person to have a real relationship with, not as sex objects. It is what I find when reading posts here.
Almost.
I meant that many of them want to be seen more as a person to have a real relationship with, not as sex objects. It is what I find when reading posts here.
I think your use of the word fetish, given what it means, is too unspecific. However, I understand exactly your point. It is an extension of what I wrote in interpretation.
vampi
08-20-2010, 12:03 AM
I won't ensure that fetiche is the best way to define a person's particular sex fancy. Just it's the most used term for people when they to that.
wxhluyp
09-08-2010, 07:23 PM
In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.
In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.
Your statement is specious.
wxhluyp
09-08-2010, 08:24 PM
Your statement is specious.
It is? How so?
aw9725
09-08-2010, 10:13 PM
In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.
Here is a fairly straightforward definition of “Ungendering” from Trans 101 (http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2008/03/trans_101):
Ungendering: “An attempt to invalidate a trans person’s gender by using cissexual privilege to identify incongruities and discrepancies in their gendered appearance that would normally be overlooked or dismissed if they were presumed to be cissexual.”
Also you might want to read ila’s original post (http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpost.php?p=117342&postcount=1)in this thread. As defined here, the act of “ungendering” is considered quite offensive to trans men and women.
wxhluyp
09-09-2010, 07:42 AM
Theoretically I do not privilege any particular way of identification. A single representative term is restrictive.
Theoretically I do not privilege any particular way of identification. A single representative term is restrictive.
You are welcome to your opinion, as laden with sophism as it may be (in my opinion). The bottom line is that on this site we respect SELF-DETERMINATION. That means that each of us gets to determine our own gender identification, and you don't get to "ungender" anyone in that respect.
wxhluyp
09-09-2010, 09:22 AM
You are welcome to your opinion, as laden with sophism as it may be (in my opinion). The bottom line is that on this site we respect SELF-DETERMINATION. That means that each of us gets to determine our own gender identification, and you don't get to "ungender" anyone in that respect.
I advocate inclusivity and growth. I am against subjected or self-imposed limitation.
I didn't expect such hostility... :hug:
I advocate inclusivity and growth. I am against subjected or self-imposed limitation.
I didn't expect such hostility... :hug:
Again, that's fine. But even if you find it an example of "self-limitation" that someone on this site chooses to identify himself or herself a certain way, you don't get to undo that. Period.
And this isn't "hostility." It's clarity.
wxhluyp
09-09-2010, 11:04 AM
Again, that's fine. But even if you find it an example of "self-limitation" that someone on this site chooses to identify himself or herself a certain way, you don't get to undo that. Period.
And this isn't "hostility." It's clarity.
Ofcourse. There are times when theorizing is more appropriate than others. Theres a false common-sense idealization of identity which must be overturned in society. Gender is positively multiple.
The accusation of sophism and lack of clarity in my mere "opinion" was pretty hostile. I don't know whether it was intentional, but it did seem so. :innocent:
Ofcourse. There are times when theorizing is more appropriate than others. Theres a false common-sense idealization of identity which must be overturned in society. Gender is positively multiple.
The accusation of sophism and lack of clarity in my mere "opinion" was pretty hostile. I don't know whether it was intentional, but it did seem so. :innocent:
Let me clear up a couple of things.
First, my comment about "clarity" referred to my posts, not yours -- that is, they were to explain that I was posting my message about ungendering and how we view it on this site for the purpose of clarity.
Second, regarding "sophism": I apologize for not having written more carefully. I did say "as it may be," but that was insufficient for expressing that I was hypothesizing the possibility that your opinions was sophistic (not definitively characterizing it as such). By "sophism" in this regard, I do mean an argument of considerable ingenuity in reasoning that is put forth with the objective of deception. I hypothesized that your argument was designed to deceive the self-identifier (the person who identifies her/his gender in her/his own self-determined way) to accept the rationale of your argument and thus abandon her/his own self-determination. That is, technically, a sort of sophism, but the word sophism does come laden with other baggage in its meaning that was genuinely not intended.
michelletgirlcd
09-24-2010, 05:26 PM
I think it's all about the human mind
missyflirtz
10-22-2010, 03:49 PM
Two personal experiences:
A few months ago, a woman introduced me (genetic male with appearance to match) to another male as "my sister." This other male took me for female, saying to my female friend afterward: "Why does M__ wear male clothes?" When I heard subsequently about this gender confusion, it seemed impossible to me that someone's visual cues could be so heavily influenced by the form of introduction. But then, when I thought further, it became sort of a turn-on, that merely calling someone female was enough to make it so! My self-assessment as male outside and significantly female inside was rewarded!
A few weeks ago, I saw a stage performer whose gender is so genuinely ambiguous that this person rejects all gendered pronouns with respect to this person's self. And it is easy to see that neither "she" nor "he" nor any other gender designation is anything like comprehensively accurate.
In conclusion, just want to affirm that all of us are truly "real" but that reality can be complicated.
Two personal experiences:
A few months ago, a woman introduced me (genetic male with appearance to match) to another male as "my sister." This other male took me for female, saying to my female friend afterward: "Why does M__ wear male clothes?" When I heard subsequently about this gender confusion, it seemed impossible to me that someone's visual cues could be so heavily influenced by the form of introduction. But then, when I thought further, it became sort of a turn-on, that merely calling someone female was enough to make it so! My self-assessment as male outside and significantly female inside was rewarded!
A few weeks ago, I saw a stage performer whose gender is so genuinely ambiguous that this person rejects all gendered pronouns with respect to this person's self. And it is easy to see that neither "she" nor "he" nor any other gender designation is anything like comprehensively accurate.
In conclusion, just want to affirm that all of us are truly "real" but that reality can be complicated.
Thank you for sharing these two experiences. Your first post is one of the best firsts I have seen on this site. Welcome, and enjoy your time here.
natandreita
11-22-2010, 09:49 PM
I somehow remembered this thread after I found this article:
http://do-while.com/worlds-most-beautiful-famous-transvestites/
The continuous use of he/she his/her and expressions like "she's a man" just made me sick :no:
harryballs42
12-05-2010, 02:52 PM
It surprises me how many people don't realize that gender self-identification has nothing to do with sexual preference.
lumpes
12-30-2010, 03:17 AM
respect to all who like this world, and to all who wish to try
Julie77
12-31-2010, 11:17 AM
This is a really good thread. I feel I was born a lady and want to be treated like one. When I am dressed up I feel it is an insult to be called a male name. Hope you all don't mind my two cents worth. :innocent:
This is a really good thread. I feel I was born a lady and want to be treated like one. When I am dressed up I feel it is an insult to be called a male name. Hope you all don't mind my two cents worth. :innocent:
I especially value the perspective of those for whom the respect we speak of in this thread is shown. Thank you for your contribution.
darkstargemini
01-01-2011, 03:36 AM
> i saw Vanity on youtube talk about issues most people r still very close minded when it comes to gender accepting one seems very hard for most of society it,s like not in my backyard but some have a lot of skeletons in there closet :yes::yes::yes::respect:
dom4tg
01-02-2011, 06:22 PM
This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:
1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.
2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.
dom4tg
This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:
1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.
2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.
dom4tg
Your points aside, respectful language will be used on this site -- despite the presence of porn -- or there will be consequences.
Bionca
01-03-2011, 03:09 PM
This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:
1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.
2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.
dom4tg
Calling women "women" and men "men" is hardly "politically correct gender terms". One could hazard to say it is simply being correct. The point of this thread is so that people DON"T unintentionally or intentionally insult members of the forum. The site is full of terms that most trans women would not be happy to be called in anything but a porn context with zero comment from the site moderators or the trans women themselves.
One would think that observing the reality that trans women are women wouldn't be controversial here. Individual people have their own individual reasons for liking/desiring/admiring trans bodies and I don't think anyone wants to police the depths of personal desire.
The flip side of this rule is that people don't call "admirers" (chasers, etc.) "fags" - which seems to get most of you all into a massive angst fest. Seems a pretty fair trade to me.
dom4tg
01-03-2011, 04:51 PM
Your points aside, respectful language will be used on this site -- despite the presence of porn -- or there will be consequences.
I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.
Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...
Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?
Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.
Calling women "women" and men "men" is hardly "politically correct gender terms". One could hazard to say it is simply being correct. The point of this thread is so that people DON"T unintentionally or intentionally insult members of the forum. The site is full of terms that most trans women would not be happy to be called in anything but a porn context with zero comment from the site moderators or the trans women themselves.
One would think that observing the reality that trans women are women wouldn't be controversial here. Individual people have their own individual reasons for liking/desiring/admiring trans bodies and I don't think anyone wants to police the depths of personal desire.
The flip side of this rule is that people don't call "admirers" (chasers, etc.) "fags" - which seems to get most of you all into a massive angst fest. Seems a pretty fair trade to me.
Controversial as it may be, I think some people regard trans women not as women but as something other...not necessarily less I should add. Indeed, if I saw m-to-f transgender individuals exactly as women, then I would arguably be attracted to genetic females in exactly the same way, which is certainly not the case.
PS - I personally have no objection to being called, fag, chaser etc., because I confident in my own sexuality/identity that such labels don't mean that much to me. I also accept that gender and sexuality are slippery subjects and it is tempting for people to apply labels for simplicity, whether these are appropriate or not.
dom4tg
I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.
Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...
Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?
Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.
Controversial as it may be, I think some people regard trans women not as women but as something other...not necessarily less I should add. Indeed, if I saw m-to-f transgender individuals exactly as women, then I would arguably be attracted to genetic females in exactly the same way, which is certainly not the case.
PS - I personally have no objection to being called, fag, chaser etc., because I confident in my own sexuality/identity that such labels don't mean that much to me. I also accept that gender and sexuality are slippery subjects and it is tempting for people to apply labels for simplicity, whether these are appropriate or not.
dom4tg
It's an interesting way to begin your participation here on this site: you have two posts (as of this writing), both of which take issue with a longstanding policy here. Bionca sums it up very well.
I suggest you write to the site owner, SSL, and make what you think is a "constructive suggestion." I have every confidence that it will be rejected, because it is not constructive. It is destructive. Words matter, and whether you like it or not -- and whether you think that you can use "PC" pejoratively and make it seem worse -- ungendering as explained in the initial post of this thread will not be tolerated.
I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.
Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...
Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?
Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.
You have only just joined the site and your two posts have been to complain about the site. I have a constructive suggestion for you; if you don't like the site or the rules then feel free to leave.
Be_my_nude
01-03-2011, 05:57 PM
Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.
No :respect: from me yet - sorry !
Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.
No :respect: from me yet - sorry !
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Bella, for putting it so well.
dom4tg
01-03-2011, 06:17 PM
You have only just joined the site and your two posts have been to complain about the site. I have a constructive suggestion for you; if you don't like the site or the rules then feel free to leave.
It does not matter if I make 2 posts or 200 posts - that should not affect the validity of a comment. The fact is, I don't dislike the site, I just dislike PC nonsense being rammed down my throat by a bunch of hypocrites.
Thanks for making it even clearer that this is the kind of site I want nothing to do with.
Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.
No :respect: from me yet - sorry !
Apologise ? Do you think that's likely ? The point is that 'offence' in this case is only offence based on daft pc rules - and I see no place for that whatsover in an adult / porn site - no offence (sincerely).
It does not matter if I make 2 posts or 200 posts - that should not affect the validity of a comment. The fact is, I don't dislike the site, I just dislike PC nonsense being rammed down my throat by a bunch of hypocrites.
Thanks for making it even clearer that this is the kind of site I want nothing to do with.
I'll make it easy for you to have nothing to do with this site.
Tsweet
01-03-2011, 06:49 PM
The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.
And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!
franalexes
01-03-2011, 08:41 PM
The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.
And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!
I'm thinking this guy "gets it." :)
aw9725
01-03-2011, 10:08 PM
The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.
And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!
Well said! :respect:
aw9725
01-03-2011, 10:47 PM
I read what "dom4tg" said and see that he is already banned. It is sad that he really does feel this way. I don't know how old he is but his attitude and beliefs do not sound very "grown up" to me. I guarantee they will not take him far in the real world.
Don't have much to say except that if he decides to come back he may wish to read my post of a few weeks ago: "An Open Letter to My Friends."
Andy
:respect: for all who stood up to him.
I read what "dom4tg" said and see that he is already banned. It is sad that he really does feel this way. I don't know how old he is but his attitude and beliefs do not sound very "grown up" to me. I guarantee they will not take him far in the real world.
Ah, the old MTF problem, that no matter where we go, we can't escape dicks. :p
shadows
01-06-2011, 02:52 AM
This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:
1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.
2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.
dom4tg
Now that you are banned, I seriously doubt that you'll even read this but I am going to post this anyhow.
There are many members(the majority actually) here that ARE NOT in the pornography business(and even if they are, they are still deserving of respect) and there are MANY threads here that have nothing to do with pornography at all.
Your posts here, and your attempts at justifying them, just shows that you don't get it at all.:no:
SluttyShemaleAnna
01-08-2011, 08:23 AM
The funniest part, in my opinion, is what the husband of the Wanda Sykes character says. He wants the chicken despite what Randal has said:
"Baby, you can't taste racism!" :lol:
Unless there's a racist guy in the kitchen who spunks in black people's burgers....
johnny_love
02-14-2011, 11:30 AM
In my opinion, "real women" or "fake women women" are just terms that are not only offensive, but stupid as "women" is the only word that should be used by everyone. Doesn't matter the genitals, it matters the fact that you are women and shouldn't care about what others say, either if the say it out of not knowing or out of hatred...so be happy and peace!:respect:
joedirty313
03-09-2011, 01:17 AM
I prefer to refer to transsexuals as real woman, and the other as gg. Follow the link...:heart:
http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpost.php?p=178193&postcount=223
Marcelus
03-10-2011, 05:46 AM
In my opinion shemales are the real women in this world. ciswomen aren't cause they look different and aren't that smart as shemales! So , viva shemales!
In my opinion shemales are the real women in this world. ciswomen aren't cause they look different and aren't that smart as shemales! So , viva shemales!
This is as insulting to ciswomen as the ungendering of transwomen that this thread is aimed at. You have been warned that this type of post is unacceptable. It is being left here as a reminder to all.
passivedude
03-25-2011, 03:06 PM
I think t-girlsare far, far more beautiful than genetic girls. You name me one single genetic gril who is as beautiful as Bailey Jay or Danni Daniels.:turnon:
rgargizzle
04-04-2011, 02:13 AM
I have been with a handful of so-called shemales and more women and I can tell you the difference is purely physical. I have met a lot of people in my life and all of them have been different. It really depends on the person. Everyone we meet is a true individual and whether or not you are into them sexually or not is what it comes down to. I have been around enough to know that everyone is looking for their own thing. I have known TGirls that are 100% females in how they interact with our world and have also known so-called trannies that are men in dresses, so I know what IO am talking about. i think people use terms insensitively but for the most part mean well.
loveshemales
05-24-2011, 11:05 PM
I think that shemales are a god send because they have the beuty in there face and nice tits and of course the tasty dick in between there legs I have always wanted to date and eventually marry a shemale
shadows
05-25-2011, 12:23 AM
I think that shemales are a god send because they have the beuty in there face and nice tits and of course the tasty dick in between there legs I have always wanted to date and eventually marry a shemale
Calling them shemales is probably not going to get you too many marriage offers. Why don't you just call them women, as that is what they are?:)
Also, I hope there would be more reasons that you would wish to marry her than just her "face, tits, and tasty dick".
aw9725
06-20-2011, 12:35 PM
Found this today while out browsing for something else entirely... Very interesting and informative.
http://www.queerty.com/lets-learn-the-nine-anti-trans-slurs-we-should-avoid-20110620/
TheUser
06-22-2011, 06:13 AM
Wow, this is an unbelievable thread.
You banned a guy for sharing an opinion that did not align with your own. He was not disrespectful in any way, was not belligerent or hostile and I doubt his intent was to pick a fight. I think he genuinely just wanted to share his opinion because he disagreed with previous posts and he was immediately threatened by several members of this forum and then banned. You should be ashamed of yourselves for being such hypocrites.
He came here to talk and you all just shut him down. If it's your goal to change the hearts and minds of people that you deem disrespectful in regards to transgender issues then you are failing at this task miserably. You have to be open to discussion and you will certainly be confronted by many that do not agree with your views. Even after a civil argument, they still will not agree with you in most cases. You need to understand that your views are opinion and not words of righteousness, just like dom4TGs views are his opinion. You could have at least had a 2 sided conversation instead of simply stroking each other off.
Your conduct toward dom4tg was basically totalitarian and insanely hypocritical. You basically proved dom4tg's very first point by banning him. He wins this argument.
The same goes for the overall theme of this thread, disregarding the scuffle with dom4tg for a second. You're basically setting a tone of "respect the lingo OR ELSE!" for this site. It's absurd that you all think you have the right to not be offended. It's called life. You are free to do all you can do to try and change the world, but you can't blow your lid the second somebody offends you. Well, you can, but don't expect positive results.
Lastly, as mentioned previously, this is a porn site, plain and simple. You want to have serious discussions about respect for transgendered people, maybe think about moving this forum to a more suitable domain. This is seriously laughable. I know for me and many others, outright and blatant disrespect of a person, whether it's physical, verbal, or psychological, can be a huge part of a sexual fantasy. So you shouldn't be at all offended or surprised when you see terms like "tranny" or "shemale" tossed around at a place like this. Quite small offenses in the grand scheme of things.
Wow, this is an unbelievable thread.
You banned a guy for sharing an opinion that did not align with your own. He was not disrespectful in any way, was not belligerent or hostile and I doubt his intent was to pick a fight. I think he genuinely just wanted to share his opinion because he disagreed with previous posts and he was immediately threatened by several members of this forum and then banned. You should be ashamed of yourselves for being such hypocrites.
He came here to talk and you all just shut him down. If it's your goal to change the hearts and minds of people that you deem disrespectful in regards to transgender issues then you are failing at this task miserably. You have to be open to discussion and you will certainly be confronted by many that do not agree with your views. Even after a civil argument, they still will not agree with you in most cases. You need to understand that your views are opinion and not words of righteousness, just like dom4TGs views are his opinion. You could have at least had a 2 sided conversation instead of simply stroking each other off.
Your conduct toward dom4tg was basically totalitarian and insanely hypocritical. You basically proved dom4tg's very first point by banning him. He wins this argument.
The same goes for the overall theme of this thread, disregarding the scuffle with dom4tg for a second. You're basically setting a tone of "respect the lingo OR ELSE!" for this site. It's absurd that you all think you have the right to not be offended. It's called life. You are free to do all you can do to try and change the world, but you can't blow your lid the second somebody offends you. Well, you can, but don't expect positive results.
Lastly, as mentioned previously, this is a porn site, plain and simple. You want to have serious discussions about respect for transgendered people, maybe think about moving this forum to a more suitable domain. This is seriously laughable. I know for me and many others, outright and blatant disrespect of a person, whether it's physical, verbal, or psychological, can be a huge part of a sexual fantasy. So you shouldn't be at all offended or surprised when you see terms like "tranny" or "shemale" tossed around at a place like this. Quite small offenses in the grand scheme of things.
This is a very interesting first post on this site. One could reasonably assume that you are either here exclusively for the purpose of challenging the stated rules of the Forum, or are a friend of the banned person to whom you refer, or are the banned person back with a different ID, or all of the above.
You begin on this site by calling those of us who are responsible for enforcing the rules a series of names: "hypocrites," "totalitarian," even "insanely hypocritical." You presume to know the full extent of the story. You presume to know of the PMs that might have passed during the interchange.
You lecture us about the purpose of the site, as if it is yours to determine. You call it a "porn site, plain and simple." It is not, though, yours to determine. You can only have an opinion; you do not dictate the site's purpose. Why? Because this is a privately owned site. And to be clear, there are no rights here, other than those afforded by the site owner. It is his domain. He can decide whether a combination of porn and proscribed discussion is allowable, or he can decide whether only some porn and completely free rein in discussion is allowable, or he can decide that only women with first names beginning in "L" and who are between the ages of 27 and 39 can participate.
My suggestion is that if you wish to defend the ungendering of transpeople, you find somewhere else to post. The arrogance of a first post such as yours -- and the arrogance is PRECISELY because it is your first post -- is not something we haven't seen before, and the outcome of the user's participation here is almost always the same.
^^^ By the way, for those of you who may not want to review the entire history with dom4tg, check here:
http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpost.php?p=170205&postcount=77
His banning was the outcome of his stated desire to have nothing to do with the site, because he didn't want to respect the rules. That is the only right he had: the right NOT to participate.
TheUser
06-22-2011, 06:49 AM
I am not dom4tg and I do not know him at all. I'm simply expressing my opinion after having read through the thread. And seeing how you handled dom4tg, I fully expect to be banned for dissenting. You can hide behind all the justifications you want and deflect any points about the real argument here, but at the end of the day all you're doing is failing to face facts and conducting a biased, extremely unfair forum.
I am not dom4tg and I do not know him at all. I'm simply expressing my opinion after having read through the thread. And seeing how you handled dom4tg, I fully expect to be banned for dissenting. You can hide behind all the justifications you want and deflect any points about the real argument here, but at the end of the day all you're doing is failing to face facts and conducting a biased, extremely unfair forum.
All you have done is demonstrate that either you do not read completely or you simply want to be here to pick a fight. It's notable that despite your accusation that I hid behind justifications deflected points, you didn't really address the substance of my response. Your initial post, however, has been dealt with again and again in this thread that you claim to have read (assumedly, either not as thoroughly as you might have us believe OR with a focus only on the posts with which you agree).
You will not be banned for expressing your opinion in a discussion. You may be banned for ungendering, should it happen (which I do not anticipate) and if a warning does not suffice to put an end to it. It's as simple as that.
dom4tg asked to leave. You do not know all the facts. It was made simple for him. PMs were exchanged as well.
This IS a "biased" forum. It is extremely biased. We have decided that despite all the porn, our discussions will be respectful of transpeople, and that words matter in this. We take it seriously. We take seriously when someone posts a self-identified woman in the crossdresser thread, no less than we take seriously when someone writes that one of our transmembers is not a "real woman."
It is a privilege, not a right, to be a member of this site. The bottom-line question for me to you is this: Are you here to argue about rules that you don't have to live by -- because you can just choose not to participate if you don't like the way this PRIVATE site is set up? Or are you here to make a positive contribution in some way?
aw9725
06-22-2011, 10:54 AM
My own observation is that these members that smc has banned and others like them simply come in here looking for trouble—like they do all over the Internet. They claim that the moderators are “picking on” them or whatever but then at the same time they want to be able to insult anyone that they choose.
As many others have pointed out this is a “private” forum with rules. One is to be respectful of other members. It amazes me that any member would want to use derogatory language toward someone that they, by becoming a member here, would claim to admire.
The use of demeaning language towards any group is one step towards not seeing them as individuals, maybe not seeing them as human beings, and then maybe thinking that perhaps discrimination or violence towards them is OK. Unfortunately, history is filled with far too many examples of this.
Violence towards gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals is very real.
smc is a personal friend of mine outside this forum and I think he does an excellent job of moderating this place. Trying to balance the “porn” aspect of this forum with the serious discussion of social issues is a daunting task. But I guess sometimes smc isn’t “totalitarian and insanely hypocritical” enough. :lol:
pussyboy
07-04-2011, 09:48 PM
i want to apologize for any ungendering remarks i made.it was strictly unintentional and from now on will pick my words more carefully.to me transexuals are women like any other but with a bonus.:)
Interesting
07-06-2011, 02:30 AM
i did not read the entire thread, but speaking to the thread's title, there's simply two genders.
Male
Female
all that falls in between are 'abnormalities' in sense that somewhere along the genetic coding and biochemical make up, an abnormality occurred that caused said gender to act out of line to the 'majority' or 'norm'.
with that being said, this is to be respected and recognized, violence or out right hate is not a viable way to react or deal with this reality.
Also, for all that fall in between, they might disagree with my statements, but i think this is due to their unique position in life and their strive to find a solid identity that can be 'official'.
tslust
07-07-2011, 05:13 PM
i did not read the entire thread, but speaking to the thread's title, there's simply two genders.
Male
Female
all that falls in between are 'abnormalities'Did not read the entire post, but ---just my opinion of you.
(I apologize in advance to anyone other than the intended recipient -Interesting- who might be offended by this.)
Interesting
07-07-2011, 05:31 PM
Did not read the entire post, but ---just my opinion of you.
(I apologize in advance to anyone other than the intended recipient -Interesting- who might be offended by this.)
yes yes, i'm soo bad. At least i wrote down semi-coherent thoughts in my quoted post, why can't you? or are you automatically offended if i don't sub in 'i love shemale cock' in every post i make?
Did not read the entire post, but ---just my opinion of you.
(I apologize in advance to anyone other than the intended recipient -Interesting- who might be offended by this.)
You have said it better than I could even think of. Well done. :hug::kiss:
yes yes, i'm soo bad. At least i wrote down semi-coherent thoughts in my quoted post, why can't you? or are you automatically offended if i don't sub in 'i love shemale cock' in every post i make?
Interesting, you would be wise to respond to my PM.
Melissa Pink
07-07-2011, 07:47 PM
This is a wonderful post! I began my journey as a transgendered woman nearly four years ago. During that time I've been labeled a crossdresser, shemale, t-girl, tranny, freak, etc. As stated I prefer the term transgender or transwoman but I'm not offended if some refers to me by a perjorative title like shemale. I consider the source! I "label" myself a "transcougar" and "cumslut" in here but it's sort of a joke and all meant in fun. It doesn't mean I want to be degraded! I enjoy sex and there is nothing wrong with that!
In some respects I've left myself open for such labels. I like to go out to nightclubs that are GLBT friendly and I embrace the attention that I sometimes receive. I realize that I am different and will never look totally like a genetic female but I don't give a shit! I'm a good person and a lot of people think I'm cute, sexy and know that I'm a good person! At all times I demand respect. If anyone talks to me in less than a respectful way I will at the very least ignore them! If they degrade me or in any way threaten me physically the fight is on! I learned martial arts in the military and became quite accomplished in defending myself. It's always funny to see the look on a bully's face when a "tranny" kicks his cowardly ass!
Melissa Pink
Transcougar and Cum Slut
... At all times I demand respect. If anyone talks to me in less than a respectful way I will at the very least ignore them! If they degrade me or in any way threaten me physically the fight is on! I learned martial arts in the military and became quite accomplished in defending myself. It's always funny to see the look on a bully's face when a "tranny" kicks his cowardly ass! ...
Melissa, I think you might have just stumbled upon a business opportunity ... perhaps not a get-rich-quick scheme, but certainly something that might bring in a few bucks. I am sure I am not the only person here who eschews buying pay-per-view boxing and wrestling matches on cable television but might consider tuning in to watch a real bully/hater get his ass kicked by you! ;)
Interesting
07-07-2011, 08:19 PM
so, how have i exactly offended some members on here? so i may clarify my statements.
Thanks.
tslust
07-07-2011, 08:27 PM
At least i wrote down semi-coherent thoughts in my quoted post, why can't you?Umm actually I think I expressed my thoughts rather well.
so, how have i exactly offended some members on here? so i may clarify my statements.
Thanks.
You came on here and admittedly did not read the entire thread, but then presumed to lecture the Forum on gender issues. The point of our militant stand against ungendering is that the individual gets to make a self-determination of gender. You are welcome to an opinion, but not to tell others what they are.
Then you insulted by inference with your comment about coherence or the lack thereof in posts.
And in another thread, you were provocative in a way that caught the moderators' attention. I think others can simply look up those posts and draw their own conclusions.
Now, rather than acknowledge what you have done, you call upon others to post additionally so you can clarify. I suggest you take read everything again and see what you can come up with on your own.
... And in another thread, you were provocative in a way that caught the moderators' attention. I think others can simply look up those posts and draw their own conclusions. ...
The other thread is "only shemales?" ... where I think, Interesting, you might want to revisit your smug, provocative posts in the interest of a harmonious future as a member of this site.
Melissa Pink
07-08-2011, 07:15 AM
Melissa, I think you might have just stumbled upon a business opportunity ... perhaps not a get-rich-quick scheme, but certainly something that might bring in a few bucks. I am sure I am not the only person here who eschews buying pay-per-view boxing and wrestling matches on cable television but might consider tuning in to watch a real bully/hater get his ass kicked by you! ;)
SMC,
Thanks for the comment. Bully versus Transcougar on cable? You might have something there! I might have to bring my streeting fighting techniques from the alley's and parking lots outside night clubs to cable t.v. Is Jerry Springer still on t.v.? I might have to call his producer. If so I'll have to wear my tank top that says "Fight me an you fight the whole trailer park!" while wearing my tighest and most provacative Daisy Dukes!
Melissa Pink
Transcougar and Cum Slut
darklord666
07-16-2011, 07:10 AM
Whether a by God's hands or the surgeons...women of the world are deserving of respect. I alway respect a persons right to 'self identify'.
Reading this thread makes me think that most posters and mods are politicians in thier other life. Could someone--anyone that really knows--come up with a definition for each of the approved and dissapproved terms that TS-trans whatever call themselves. I find that noone seems to agree on most of these definitions so how in hell is someone supposed to wade through this mire ?
I mean people can't even agree that "pre-op" is always a person that still has a dick. After all they are not "pre-op" unless they intend to cut it off. Well then what do you call it?
JodieTs
07-21-2011, 02:43 PM
Seems reasonable a point on a trans porn forum.
Though you will be unlikely to get everyone to agree on set terms
nor on what those terms mean.
Maybe everyone chilling out a bit helps.
It's really no big deal, unless offence was intended.
Non-op
Pre-op
Post-op are self explanatory for here and refer to the genitalia state and possible intent in the first two instances.
{If anyone really needs to know}
But on a trans porn site, not unreasonable.
Though even here on TLB, most of the time, it's irrelevant unless giving a specific context to a post.
JodieTs
07-21-2011, 02:45 PM
Everywhere else, asking strangers about their genitalia
is rather wrong and marginalises us.
In real-life, the term- woman, will do just fine.
DjqsB1huDxg&feature=relmfu
or if you are the trans-flavoured person going round telling folk about your own genitals
well you are just a freekoid weirdo!
Reading this thread makes me think that most posters and mods are politicians in thier other life. Could someone--anyone that really knows--come up with a definition for each of the approved and dissapproved terms that TS-trans whatever call themselves. I find that noone seems to agree on most of these definitions so how in hell is someone supposed to wade through this mire ?
I mean people can't even agree that "pre-op" is always a person that still has a dick. After all they are not "pre-op" unless they intend to cut it off. Well then what do you call it?
I am not a politician in another life. My posts on this issue are consistent. The issue of respect is to honor the SELF-IDENTIFICATION of the person. Period. How could that possibly be confusing?
stephanie4life
08-01-2011, 06:16 AM
I so hate it that m girlfriend and bio female friends treat me like some novelty, the. "Aww you're so pretty" thing really kinda gets on my nerves. I'm doing this because this is who I am. I'm not somebody that's trying to entertain you or be somekind of barbie doll for you to play with. Ugh, can we get some respect please??! Stephanie
JodieTs
08-01-2011, 08:49 AM
I so hate it that m girlfriend and bio female friends treat me like some novelty, the. "Aww you're so pretty" thing really kinda gets on my nerves. I'm doing this because this is who I am. I'm not somebody that's trying to entertain you or be somekind of barbie doll for you to play with. Ugh, can we get some respect please??!
We'll be the judge of that.:innocent:
Citation required in the form of a face pic, please.
'Nudy pics' also welcome....:lol:
randolph
08-01-2011, 09:14 AM
We'll be the judge of that.:innocent:
Citation required in the form of a face pic, please.
'Nudy pics' also welcome....:lol:
Agreed -- less whining please.
franalexes
08-01-2011, 10:21 AM
I so hate it that m girlfriend and bio female friends treat me like some novelty, the. "Aww you're so pretty" thing really kinda gets on my nerves. I'm doing this because this is who I am. I'm not somebody that's trying to entertain you or be somekind of barbie doll for you to play with. Ugh, can we get some respect please??! Stephanie
You still have friends! This is not hate or disrespect.
Disrespect is when you are asked by the manager to shop in another store. Disrespect is when you learn you were charged extra for a car repair because you are you. Disrespect is when you learn every pie at the bake sale was sold,,,,except yours. Disrespect is when you are first to be seated in the company cafeterior and you eat alone.
randolph
08-01-2011, 11:44 AM
You still have friends! This is not hate or disrespect.
Disrespect is when you are asked by the manager to shop in another store. Disrespect is when you learn you were charged extra for a car repair because you are you. Disrespect is when you learn every pie at the bake sale was sold,,,,except yours. Disrespect is when you are first to be seated in the company cafeterior and you eat alone.
This seems more like being shunned or rejected which is even more painful than disrespect. So sad and so cruel :(
stephanie4life
08-01-2011, 02:47 PM
Well... thanx for the warm welcome. I see whats up with the people on this site. Not for me thanx I believe ill move on
JodieTs
08-01-2011, 04:29 PM
Don't go!
It really is a nice and friendly place
and you don't need to put any nudy pics up
I was only teasing!
MayDay
10-01-2011, 02:21 PM
Well... thanx for the warm welcome. I see whats up with the people on this site. Not for me thanx I believe ill move on
I'm glad you decided to stick around!
Melissa Pink
10-01-2011, 02:40 PM
Well... thanx for the warm welcome. I see whats up with the people on this site. Not for me thanx I believe ill move on
I hope that you'll remain an active member of this forum! We Southern t-girls need to stick together!
T.G.R.I.T.S. (Transgendered Girls Raised In The South)
Slavetoebony
10-05-2011, 01:58 PM
This debate goes on and on. I believe it can be hard to define a person's gender or sexuality if we don't know how this person defines him/herself. I don't think anybody wants to offend. But let's be honest, how on earth are we able to define a person if all we have to judge a person by are a couple of re-cycled pics from a professional adult site and a few diverse comments added by other viewers?
loziver
11-01-2011, 11:24 AM
I think the trans genders have anatomic problem ,my be from hormones problem.
I remember that when I was child i Felt like girl .when I become man ,I like to get fuck by trans women.I think i have problem .I had never get fucked before.
Thank you
tslust
11-21-2011, 07:11 PM
Ya, I've been away for a little while, so I missed this.
I think the trans genders have anatomic problem ,my be from hormones problem.
I remember that when I was child i Felt like girl .when I become man ,I like to get fuck by trans women.I think i have problem .I had never get fucked before.
Thank you
Ummm, I think your problem has more to do with grammer.
the_bo
12-09-2011, 02:50 PM
I read through this whole thread and found the video of Calpernia Addams, that Jodie posted to be both funny and informative!
To be honest I have never heard of Calpernia Addams before but I have to say she has a very sexy face!
aussiepride
02-06-2012, 05:22 PM
SMC,
Thanks for the comment. Bully versus Transcougar on cable? You might have something there! I might have to bring my streeting fighting techniques from the alley's and parking lots outside night clubs to cable t.v. Is Jerry Springer still on t.v.? I might have to call his producer. If so I'll have to wear my tank top that says "Fight me an you fight the whole trailer park!" while wearing my tighest and most provacative Daisy Dukes!
Melissa Pink
Transcougar and Cum Slut
There is a show like this on cable tv at the moment. It's a us show, but pits a bully against a professional cage fighter (ulimate fighter). They have like 3 rounds and if the bully wins or lasts like 3 rounds they win $10k.
Maybe petition the producers to let a ts do the ass kicking eh. There is that thai boxing champ that is a ts as well.
TransLadyboy. LadyBOY? If anybody is sincere about ungendering, they may want to start with the name of the website.
Its just the line in the sand that this site has made regarding labels.
There are plenty of other sites out there that don't restrict labeling, maybe have a look at them. Some of the sites that chat about especially thai and philo ts are so degrading makes even me cringe. All comes down to personal choice.
littletwink
06-05-2012, 03:02 PM
Recently there have been some comments on here which ungender the transwomen of the world. This is not something new on here, but there have never been as many comments at one time as there has been in the last week.
By ungendering I mean making statements that ciswomen are "real women" and by inference that transwomen aren't real. As transwomen are real women then one is taking away transwomen's gender by inferring that they are not real women. Still other statements have referred to ciswomen as women and females whereas in the same post transwomen have been referred as tgirls. This is just another way to ungender transwomen by inferring that transwomen are neither women nor female. The men on here claim to love/admire/want transwomen and yet statements that ungender transwomen show a great lack of respect.
I am sure that some members have made these statements without realizing how hurtful it can be. There are still others that have made such statements knowing full well what the impact is.
I would like to remind the men here to show more respect to all transwomen. Please do not refer to ciswomen as the only real women. Remember that transwomen are real women and they are female.
To put this in perspective I would ask the men to think of how they would feel if they were referred to as she or her or any other feminine term. If you are offended or feel uncomfortable or even pissed off then you are on the path to realizing how a transwoman feels when she is ungendered.
To get a better perspective on this subject I encourage you to click on the link below. It will take you to the thread Real Girls which was started by Bionca.
http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=3444
When someone defines him or herself as one gender or the other, then I agree they have a right to consider themselves whatever they feel they are. I don't necessarily think that creates an obligation for anyone else to recognize a person's belief.
What makes no sense to me is this notion some put forward that a person must choose male or female and can be only one or the other. Speaking only for myself, I know that I am a male, but I also know that on some days I am very much a female, even though my physiology might not say so. Even if I derive some benefit in my mind from the labels, I do not NEED them to define who I am.
When someone defines him or herself as one gender or the other, then I agree they have a right to consider themselves whatever they feel they are. I don't necessarily think that creates an obligation for anyone else to recognize a person's belief. ...
I could not disagree more with the statement above that I have quoted and put in bold. The right to self-determination of gender is absolutely meaningless unless we are obligated to acknowledge that the determination is iron-clad. Were I to use the word "belief" to describe to any of my trans friends their self-determination of their own gender, I would expect to be kicked in the balls -- deservedly -- as their last act before dropping me as a friend.
I could not disagree more with the statement above that I have quoted and put in bold. The right to self-determination of gender is absolutely meaningless unless we are obligated to acknowledge that the determination is iron-clad. Were I to use the word "belief" to describe to any of my trans friends their self-determination of their own gender, I would expect to be kicked in the balls -- deservedly -- as their last act before dropping me as a friend.
My thoughts exactly. I couldn't have said it better.
littletwink
06-05-2012, 06:32 PM
I could not disagree more with the statement above that I have quoted and put in bold. The right to self-determination of gender is absolutely meaningless unless we are obligated to acknowledge that the determination is iron-clad. Were I to use the word "belief" to describe to any of my trans friends their self-determination of their own gender, I would expect to be kicked in the balls -- deservedly -- as their last act before dropping me as a friend.
An individual's right to self-determination is not in any way infringed upon by another individual choosing to see things differently.
They can say "I will not respond to comments seeking to strip me of MY self-determined gender", but they cannot prohibit a person from thinking whatever it is they want to.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you're saying that there are only 2 distinct genders and I could not disagree more with the assertion that everyone fits into 1 of only 2 possible boxes.
An individual's right to self-determination is not in any way infringed upon by another individual choosing to see things differently.
What you state with such certainty in the quote above belies a complete lack of understanding of what it means to have "rights." A person's right to something is meaningless without actuation of that right. Further, a right is an absolute; otherwise, it is also meaningless.
If you make it okay for someone to "see things differently" in that context, you are taking away the right.
Imagine if all the anti-discrimination laws that grew out of the civil rights movement in the United States were not enforced simply because the person who denied a black man entry into his restaurant said to that man, "Sure, the law says I can't deny any person the the right to eat here, but I don't consider blacks to be people, so I don't have to serve you. Sorry, but I just see things differently."
You may laugh at my analogy, but it is precisely the basis upon which blacks in the United States were denied rights for a very, very long time.
They can say "I will not respond to comments seeking to strip me of MY self-determined gender", but they cannot prohibit a person from thinking whatever it is they want to.
Now, let's extend your logic further with the analogy. As I understand it, the black man denied entry to the restaurant should simply not respond? After all, the restaurant owner, by your account, has an equal right to disbelieve that blacks are people.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you're saying that there are only 2 distinct genders and I could not disagree more with the assertion that everyone fits into 1 of only 2 possible boxes.
I said absolutely nothing about how many distinct genders there are in my response. Your last statement is completely irrelevant to my point.
littletwink
06-06-2012, 12:38 PM
What you state with such certainty in the quote above belies a complete lack of understanding of what it means to have "rights." A person's right to something is meaningless without actuation of that right. Further, a right is an absolute; otherwise, it is also meaningless.
If you make it okay for someone to "see things differently" in that context, you are taking away the right.
Imagine if all the anti-discrimination laws that grew out of the civil rights movement in the United States were not enforced simply because the person who denied a black man entry into his restaurant said to that man, "Sure, the law says I can't deny any person the the right to eat here, but I don't consider blacks to be people, so I don't have to serve you. Sorry, but I just see things differently."
You may laugh at my analogy, but it is precisely the basis upon which blacks in the United States were denied rights for a very, very long time.
Now, let's extend your logic further with the analogy. As I understand it, the black man denied entry to the restaurant should simply not respond? After all, the restaurant owner, by your account, has an equal right to disbelieve that blacks are people.
I'm not comfortable with the idea of a person or group telling individuals what they must think or believe. Behavior and actions are separate from thoughts and beliefs, though. Are behaviors and actions usually predicated upon beliefs? Certainly, but while behaviors and actions can be mandated and enforced legally, thoughts and beliefs cannot.
In the case of your shopkeeper, while he may be required to accept black customers, he still has the right to view those customers as non-persons.
You wish to mandate certain language when it comes to discussing the TG community, but language alone is not a guarantee or even a requisite for understanding and understanding is not a guarantee of societal acceptance. As a member of that community myself - albeit part-time, by some definitions - I am not bothered by another person's refusal of my self-identification.
You are saying that the denial of one's gender identity by another is wrong and is offensive and in many cases, that is probably a fair interpretation. However, not every TG individual is offended and I personally do not wish to be placed in that box, nor do I think I should be chastised for my reluctance to conform.
Again, I'm ok with not being recognized as a man or woman (as the case may be!) and several of my TG friends are very much the same. Just because we may be in the minority does not mean we shouldn't be allowed to think or feel this way.
By the same token, I will not demand that a non-TG person acknowledge my gender as a function of acknowledging my personhood. I am not my gender. My depth as a person goes much deeper than that and I feel that getting hung up on my transgenderism would actually cheapen my value as a person.
Other TG persons will feel completely differently - their gender identity and acknowledgment of same is absolutely vital to their everyday existence - and I fully respect their right to feel that way.
I'm not comfortable with the idea of a person or group telling individuals what they must think or believe. Behavior and actions are separate from thoughts and beliefs, though. Are behaviors and actions usually predicated upon beliefs? Certainly, but while behaviors and actions can be mandated and enforced legally, thoughts and beliefs cannot.
In the case of your shopkeeper, while he may be required to accept black customers, he still has the right to view those customers as non-persons.
You wish to mandate certain language when it comes to discussing the TG community, but language alone is not a guarantee or even a requisite for understanding and understanding is not a guarantee of societal acceptance. As a member of that community myself - albeit part-time, by some definitions - I am not bothered by another person's refusal of my self-identification.
You are saying that the denial of one's gender identity by another is wrong and is offensive and in many cases, that is probably a fair interpretation. However, not every TG individual is offended and I personally do not wish to be placed in that box, nor do I think I should be chastised for my reluctance to conform.
Again, I'm ok with not being recognized as a man or woman (as the case may be!) and several of my TG friends are very much the same. Just because we may be in the minority does not mean we shouldn't be allowed to think or feel this way.
By the same token, I will not demand that a non-TG person acknowledge my gender as a function of acknowledging my personhood. I am not my gender. My depth as a person goes much deeper than that and I feel that getting hung up on my transgenderism would actually cheapen my value as a person.
Other TG persons will feel completely differently - their gender identity and acknowledgment of same is absolutely vital to their everyday existence - and I fully respect their right to feel that way.
What is most notable about your latest response is how you have sought to shift the terrain. Earlier, you wrote:
An individual's right to self-determination is not in any way infringed upon by another individual choosing to see things differently.
When you take up my shopkeeper example, you write that the shopkeeper has a right to view black customers as non-persons, but may still be required to accept black customers.
What good is the shopkeeper's "right" to his belief if it cannot be actuated? Does it transcend the right of the black person to enter his shop? When a dispute erupts, which right should be defended by law? The right of conscience or the right of access?
Rights of conscience are tricky things. They are used by people to deny the obvious truth (blacks are, indeed, persons) and justify the denial of reasonable rights to others for all sorts of reasons.
You write regarding language, and of course you are correct that "language alone is not a guarantee ... for understanding." But you are wrong that language is not a requisite for understanding.
Most important, you write that you are "not bothered by another person's refusal of my self-identification." I suspect that you have not had your rights infringed in the manner of the black person in my example. I would not pretend to know anything about you specifically, but in my experience, those who have never truly felt the lash of outright discrimination are the one's who can most readily cede the pseudo-"right of conscience" to those who wield the lash.
littletwink
06-07-2012, 02:48 AM
What is most notable about your latest response is how you have sought to shift the terrain. Earlier, you wrote:
When you take up my shopkeeper example, you write that the shopkeeper has a right to view black customers as non-persons, but may still be required to accept black customers.
What good is the shopkeeper's "right" to his belief if it cannot be actuated? Does it transcend the right of the black person to enter his shop? When a dispute erupts, which right should be defended by law? The right of conscience or the right of access?
Rights of conscience are tricky things. They are used by people to deny the obvious truth (blacks are, indeed, persons) and justify the denial of reasonable rights to others for all sorts of reasons.
You write regarding language, and of course you are correct that "language alone is not a guarantee ... for understanding." But you are wrong that language is not a requisite for understanding.
Most important, you write that you are "not bothered by another person's refusal of my self-identification." I suspect that you have not had your rights infringed in the manner of the black person in my example. I would not pretend to know anything about you specifically, but in my experience, those who have never truly felt the lash of outright discrimination are the one's who can most readily cede the pseudo-"right of conscience" to those who wield the lash.
I cannot possibly know what it was like to live in those times. No, I have never been told "we don't serve your kind here", and thankfully, I've never been the victim of a violent crime. Sure, I got beaten up a few times when I was younger and won a few fights, too, but I wouldn't consider those incidents criminal, even if I was sometimes teased for being 'different'.
I've been called names (who hasn't?) and teased behind my back, but no, I have never been called "queer" by someone who had something I wanted like a job or service. I'm not saying I want to experience that treatment either, but being called certain names doesn't bother me like it does many others, because to my knowledge, I've only ever been called those names by idiots. If others chose to discriminate against me on less trivial matters, I was never aware of it.
With regards to my prior statement, I appreciate your further explanation, but I don't think any modification is in order. What I identify myself as is in no way predicated upon how another will choose to identify me. Granted, I have the good fortune of being quite secure in both my manhood and my womanhood separately, plus I am also very happy with my androgyny, but I am the only one who determines how I will identify myself.
If others choose not to accept my identification, it's their right to make that choice. I don't want to make the argument too circular in restating too many points, but I don't WANT the power to force my personal thoughts and beliefs upon another person, nor would I ever grant anyone the power to do it to me. I may be a sub, but not even I am that submissive. ;)
I cannot possibly know what it was like to live in those times. No, I have never been told "we don't serve your kind here", and thankfully, I've never been the victim of a violent crime. Sure, I got beaten up a few times when I was younger and won a few fights, too, but I wouldn't consider those incidents criminal, even if I was sometimes teased for being 'different'.
I've been called names (who hasn't?) and teased behind my back, but no, I have never been called "queer" by someone who had something I wanted like a job or service. I'm not saying I want to experience that treatment either, but being called certain names doesn't bother me like it does many others, because to my knowledge, I've only ever been called those names by idiots. If others chose to discriminate against me on less trivial matters, I was never aware of it.
With regards to my prior statement, I appreciate your further explanation, but I don't think any modification is in order. What I identify myself as is in no way predicated upon how another will choose to identify me. Granted, I have the good fortune of being quite secure in both my manhood and my womanhood separately, plus I am also very happy with my androgyny, but I am the only one who determines how I will identify myself.
If others choose not to accept my identification, it's their right to make that choice. I don't want to make the argument too circular in restating too many points, but I don't WANT the power to force my personal thoughts and beliefs upon another person, nor would I ever grant anyone the power to do it to me. I may be a sub, but not even I am that submissive. ;)
Without also making the argument "too circular in restating too many points," I would suggest that you (and, indeed, society as a whole) would be well served to consider the difference between the notion of a "right" in the abstract and the meaning of a "right" in the concrete.
JodieTs
06-07-2012, 03:21 PM
I'm not comfortable with the idea of a person or group telling individuals what they must think or believe. Behavior and actions are separate from thoughts and beliefs, though. Are behaviors and actions usually predicated upon beliefs? Certainly, but while behaviors and actions can be mandated and enforced legally, thoughts and beliefs cannot.
You wish to mandate certain language when it comes to discussing the TG community, but language alone is not a guarantee or even a requisite for understanding and understanding is not a guarantee of societal acceptance. As a member of that community myself - albeit part-time, by some definitions - I am not bothered by another person's refusal of my self-identification.
When someone defines him or herself as one gender or the other, then I agree they have a right to consider themselves whatever they feel they are. I don't necessarily think that creates an obligation for anyone else to recognize a person's belief.
I agree with you on the highlighted section.
It's ludicrous to expect society to control an individuals thoughts on something; like in this case the way a person feels inside about another person and their gender representation.
I think that we now split in our thoughts.
I feel it is always appropriate for everyone in society to interact with a trans-variance person, in such a way that reflects their adopted gender. If a person appears to have male background but their attire says female, treat them as female.
Likewise for F2M's where they may have some female 'Tells' but are clearly representing themselves as male, then treat them, as male.
For a person who is not easy to categorise such as gender-fuck, then a polite discrete question asking them how they wish to be addressed, seems reasonable.
That would seem to be both polite,cover all bases and not require anyone to compromise their internal views.
Stay bigoted, but don't be rude and show it.
Of course anyone with strong anti-trans views will never come on TLB to read this so I'm probably preaching to the converted. :)
jmshemalelover
07-29-2012, 02:12 AM
We do need to watch what we say and HOW we say it. Tgirls are real women and the correct term for vagina born women is genetic female. I learned that from a post operative friend of mine years ago and that the terms cut or chop is insulting as well. Gender reasignment surgery does not remove the gentelia, but in fact just reconstructs it. Nothing is removed except the testicles and the head of the penis while the rest is reconfigured into a vagina.
I know that a lot of people out there run into this misconception and before I even got involved in the community here or even at work from those who do not know better, say things like that. Then many people even say that transwomen are gay men. Then some trans girls even consider them that as well by actions. For example the same sex marrage issue is not only their political or moral belief, but some talk about it like they themselves believe that transwomen are men and to disallow it would prevent them from eventually marrying themselves. If you are a true female then you should be interested in the same sex marrage for political or personal beliefs just like many hetrosexuals do or even some religious people do and there are even some homosexuals who do not believe in it. Not because it disallows you to have a family.
Also, many should not knock a girl because she has the surgery. I hear so many say bad things about Danielle Fox going all the way like she is trash now. Then some say in general that they have no use for post ops. That is insulting! I can understand you wanting a girl to keep her penis and it is attractive as well, but we need to respect the individual. If they themselves want to go through with the surgery, than we should support them just as those who want to keep their penises. I have heard some post op females make remarks against other women who do not have the surgery as well. I have heard comments like freaks, or not really thinking like a female come out of some.
Respect is the key word! I may not like what my fellow man does, but that does not mean I am going to bully him or call him names cause he believes something I think is politically or morally wrong. He or she will get respect out of me totally.
I started out here, as one who was fascinated by the anatomy of the transgendered, but I was still always respectful toward ALL women! I am sorry that it happened. After meeting and dating some girls, I have learned that you women are nice people and feel for your hard life that you have to live. I now do like especially making new friends cause of what I have learned. I am single, to let you know, and I actually stopped looking around for my special one and have no interest in dating right now. I just like mingling with my fellow human beings and helping others. To settle down with anyone requires full commitment and if you can not give it, do not waste another individual's time. That is why so many broken hearts out there taking place and a lot of uncertain interests in many men when seeking a relationship.
Now this is only my opinion. Not saying that it is total fact, but what I feel about this.
Supermatic
08-05-2012, 07:08 AM
I really don't know what to say exactly since I'm still new to this and the last thing I want to do is cause problems,but I will say this and that is society is very screwed up to the point where it continues to look down on others reguardless of race,sexuallity,sexual pref.,religion and other factors and until society can pull it's head out of there ass's and starts to accept others for who they are(Personality) then idfk really because that's just me.So an idividual has an extra part,but that's no reason to look down on the person or even put that person down.
DgMAtrainer78
09-15-2012, 10:38 AM
Do most transexuals find it offensive to be refereed to as transexual? I love transexuals for being who they are. I don't see them entirely as women but as transexuals which is far better in my opinion.
Do most transexuals find it offensive to be refereed to as transexual? I love transexuals for being who they are. I don't see them entirely as women but as transexuals which is far better in my opinion.
Fortunately, it is not you but these women themselves who get to determine their own gender identity.
ChrisTinaBruce
09-16-2012, 10:41 AM
You are trying to put everything and everyone in a box. Let go of YOUR insecurities and accept and judge people on their behavior and actions not appearance.
Chris Tina Bruce
i did not read the entire thread, but speaking to the thread's title, there's simply two genders.
Male
Female
all that falls in between are 'abnormalities' in sense that somewhere along the genetic coding and biochemical make up, an abnormality occurred that caused said gender to act out of line to the 'majority' or 'norm'.
JodieTs
09-16-2012, 07:01 PM
Do most transexuals find it offensive to be refereed to as transexual? I love transexuals for being who they are. I don't see them entirely as women but as transexuals which is far better in my opinion.
It varies from person to person. and the circumstances.
Almost all want to be referred to as women as that's what we are
and it's easier for you to do so. If she wants you to call her a transsexual,
she'll tell you. (though this would be highly unlikely to occur, though the very occasional Ts women will identify as Ts rather than female)
Um, transsexual has two "s" in it. ;)
Tsweet
09-18-2012, 05:17 PM
It varies from person to person. and the circumstances.
Almost all want to be referred to as women as that's what we are
and it's easier for you to do so. If she wants you to call her a transsexual,
she'll tell you. (though this would be highly unlikely to occur, though the very occasional Ts women will identify as Ts rather than female)
Um, transsexual has two "s" in it. ;)
Yes I only refer to my beautiful (ts) girlfriend as a woman (as that's what she IS!) ... but occasionally she will refer to herself as a transsexual woman as she is proud of the journey she has gone through to become the gorgeous woman she is!
(Speaking of gorgeous women Jodie! Love your new avatar GREAT picture of yourself!)
shawnx
11-12-2012, 12:24 PM
I did a post a few days ago and actually made a mistake of using the term real woman, it was a simple mistake and have noted not to use it anymore, at the same time, if someone does use it like i did, just simply remind them to try not to use it and not target them as a bad person like one person did with me. its a simple mistake that a lot of guys make. some tgirls dont like the term shemale. I also find it interesting that someone might find the term real woman disrespectful but yet i noticed a post with a person saying how he likes pulling a tgirls hair while fucking them in the ass , seems to me that would be more disrespectful. thanks for hearing me out.
I did a post a few days ago and actually made a mistake of using the term real woman, it was a simple mistake and have noted not to use it anymore, at the same time, if someone does use it like i did, just simply remind them to try not to use it and not target them as a bad person like one person did with me. its a simple mistake that a lot of guys make. some tgirls dont like the term shemale. I also find it interesting that someone might find the term real woman disrespectful but yet i noticed a post with a person saying how he likes pulling a tgirls hair while fucking them in the ass , seems to me that would be more disrespectful. thanks for hearing me out.
There is a HUGE difference between the use of the term "shemale" (which is an invention of the porn industry) and the use of the term "real woman" to distinguish GGs from transwomen. In my experience with my transwomen friends, there is a HUGE difference between their reaction to the term "shemale" and their reaction to any statement that implies or states explicitly that they are less of a woman than any other woman.
Language matters. When someone ungenders, he ought to acknowledge the mistake, show his understanding of the error, and pledge to try not to do it again. What he ought not do is attack others or make excuses, because that diminishes the acknowledgment of the error and thus the importance of the acknowledgment.
corneliusguy
07-07-2013, 10:30 AM
I plead ignorance, until today. Would it be ok to say Girl or G-Girl VS T-Girl/lady/woman? :respect:
a9127
06-03-2014, 05:33 PM
I plead ignorance, until today. Would it be ok to say Girl or G-Girl VS T-Girl/lady/woman? :respect:
If for some reason there needs to be a differentiation, I use the terms “ciswoman” or “transwoman.” Otherwise I simply refer to anyone female as “woman.”
LBL over
09-22-2014, 05:55 PM
I am married to a ladyboy who I love with a passion. Superior in every way that maters to any female born in a fully formed female body. She has had SRS and she corrects anybody who calls her a woman and says with pride "I'm a ladyboy" and I love that. After being with her I could never go back with a mere female born in the right body. Have we "ungendered" her? I and her think ladyboys are far more than any mere born in a female body woman can be, the journey they take to get where others are merely born makes them so much more imho?
cgeissler
10-01-2014, 11:11 PM
For a time I dated a lovely ladyboy from Pattaya. She was one of the sexiest women I have ever seen. She had everything and something extra. She LOVED to be called in feminine pronouns. I LOVED to call her my girlfriend, particularly when she did particularly un-ladylike things (like pee standing up - true story!).
My most common thing to do has been to remember the end goal. If she's MTF transgender, call her a she! Blimey! It's not rocket science! If he's FTM, call him a HE! Is it so hard?
Much love to all of you who are brave enough to be true to yourselves! :respect:
lauren180396
02-05-2015, 01:38 PM
Is it disrespectful to say 'trans-woman' on here? Or is it deemed offensive?
Also, what is the best term to use? I hope somebody answers my question, it would help alot. Many thanks
Is it disrespectful to say 'trans-woman' on here? Or is it deemed offensive?
Also, what is the best term to use? I hope somebody answers my question, it would help alot. Many thanks
No, it is not disrespectful to say transwoman. It is one of the most respectful terms I've heard although I would think that most transwomen would prefer the term woman without any qualifier.
Ila Could you please list out all the acceptable and the not acceptable names.
People walk around in here on egg shells.
Example: shemales yes or no the title about is "chat About Shemales"
Thanks
lauren180396
02-06-2015, 02:53 AM
Thank you for your helpful, quick response. :)
Ila Could you please list out all the acceptable and the not acceptable names.
People walk around in here on egg shells.
Example: shemales yes or no the title about is "chat About Shemales"
Thanks
I'd rather not make a list. I could possibly leave out words or expressions that some may find offensive and others not or I may include words that some would think are not offensive.
I think it's better that members use their own judgement. If a word or expression, to someone posting, may look offensive to that person then perhaps another word would be better. Sometimes it's all in the context or intent as to whether something is offensive.
I'm not going to ban anyone or give out warnings for what someone says unless that person is malicious or continually insulting others. I may sometimes ask a question of intent or ask someone to rephrase or reword a post. However, there is no reason to walk on eggshells.
JamieTS
11-21-2016, 03:23 PM
I'd rather not make a list. I could possibly leave out words or expressions that some may find offensive and others not or I may include words that some would think are not offensive.
I think it's better that members use their own judgement. If a word or expression, to someone posting, may look offensive to that person then perhaps another word would be better. Sometimes it's all in the context or intent as to whether something is offensive.
I'm not going to ban anyone or give out warnings for what someone says unless that person is malicious or continually insulting others. I may sometimes ask a question of intent or ask someone to rephrase or reword a post. However, there is no reason to walk on eggshells.
I give Ila applause. No one needs to be banned for hurting anyone's feelings. I mean why are you gonna' come to Trans ladyboy forums if you are offended by the titles of Tranny, shemale, Ladyboy and so on?
I mean I know where those titles come from. I am not proud of them nor offended by them. But there are a lot of good men that are attracted to us by nothing more than those pronouns, I am not gonna' be hurt by whatever pronoun they use for me. I will tell them what I would rather be called and usually ion private I like the pronoun " Dirty Bitch".
So no. If you are trans and offended by Tranny or Shemale then this is the wrong place. I am actually proud to be a Tranny. being called a shemale doesn't bother me either. If I don't know you and you call me a stuck up Bitch then that is MS. Stuckupbitch please.:lol:
OK so I am a She male. What the hell else can you call me. Well you can be respectful and use female pronouns and that goes a long way but at the end of the day I have a penis (male) and I am psychologically a female so I am a "she" and a biological male so that makes me a "shemale". I am also transgender so that makes me a Tranny and Shemale.
I just don't understand why these descriptions are so offensive when they empower so many of us from high priced escorts to porn stars. I mean gay now is not even taboo. Trans kind of but, screw it. I am a tranny so sue me.:cool:
JamieTS
12-06-2016, 01:59 PM
Ila Could you please list out all the acceptable and the not acceptable names.
People walk around in here on egg shells.
Example: shemales yes or no the title about is "chat About Shemales"
Thanks
I know it gets confusing. Hell I'm a fucking trans woman and still hurt feeling sometimes.
People are people and it all depends on who you are talking too as to how many eggs you have to break to walk on those eggshells. Some are way overly sensitive but first and foremost be respectful. You can call me whatever you want to. Tranny, Shemale, Chick with a Dick, or whatever else. But as long as it is innocent then no probs. If it is said with malice then it becomes a problem to me. I cut guys a lot of slack because number one if you are watching shemale porn then you are somewhat attracted to us and I find that totally adorable. In certain parts of the world it has to remain hidden and you could possibly be killed if being transgender.
Look I came here and love it here. Some trans women may come here and find it insulting but to them I ask what do most men get the realization that trans women are beautiful and can fulfill a lot more fantasies than some cis women? Porn and the porn industry uses "shemale" and "tranny" as descriptions but they treat us that work in that industry just as good as they treat the cis women in that industry.
I mean I was born with a penis and grew up as a boy until puberty and then realized something was wrong. So I am a woman with a penis. women are called she and her and so on and males have a penis so I am a proud Shemale. I am also transgender which is a shemale so Tranny don't bother me either. You can call me whatever you want as long as it is with respect.
But the description I absolutely abhor is being called "It" but if I act feminine the female pronouns work for me.
If you feel the need to walk on eggshells here with me then don't. Grab your balls and ask me what I prefer to be called. Female pronouns I will tell you but Shemale and Tranny does not bother me in the least.
donthemed
12-28-2016, 10:48 AM
A big thank you bump!
JamieTS
03-03-2017, 12:09 PM
Ila Could you please list out all the acceptable and the not acceptable names.
People walk around in here on egg shells.
Example: shemales yes or no the title about is "chat About Shemales"
Thanks
Really no need to walk on eggshells. I am a shemale, tranny, transwoman or woman. I was born male. I have a penis. Psychologically I am a she but physically more or less a male so I am a shemale. I am transgendered too in that I think and feel more like a woman emotionally so my gender does not match my physical body somewhat so I am trans gendered. I am a tranny.
Shemale. Why would that offend me? It can if it is used disrespectfully. It may be a description of the porn industry but it has made a lot of women quite a bit of money.
Tranny. Trans gendered or trans woman. It can also be used disrespectfully but also the porn industry has used this description of us too. I can't blame you for using this description as long as it is used respectfully instead of with distaste.
I am a girly girl in that I totally am feminine. I am not a genetic girl which most people would call cis women. But I am a girly girl. The clothes' the shoes' the makeup' the hair. the emotions, and so on. As a matter of fact some GGs if used as a genetic girl turn into Trans men. That would be like calling me a GM. So normally GG is used as a description of Girly Girls. Take Buck Angel. He is genetically a woman but he is a Manly Man. So the proper term between transgender and non trans gender is Trans and Cis.
Seriously though CCC, no descriptions offend me or should anyone because we know where you get the names from.;) It isn't as much about descriptions and names as much as it is about respect. Just be respectful. That is all we ask. Some do get offended by names because they haven't quite come to terms or too fragile psychologically even. I know who and what I am. Why deny it. I tell any guy up front. But then again I ain't hiding anything. If I go to a straight bar with girlfriends then I will thank a guy for a drink and that is all.
There was a member here that offended me because he talked about trans women looking like men dressed in women's clothes. In other words hairy legs, facial stubble and so on dressed in women's clothing. That sounds like no trans woman that I know of. In total actuality trans women shave their legs probably more than cis women do. Even in the winter time. Even in jeans. We usually love the feel of smooth legs not because of you necessarily but our selves. We go through hell with hair removal. We do not have 5 O'clock shadow. Shaving sometimes twice a day is irritating to the face, but we get used to it for you guys. We really don't want you to be seen with us with 5 o'clock shadow poling through our makeup. We don't want that for ourselves even but it is for you. So we shave with the grain first and then totally against the grain not once but twice a day. Then we usually wake up early and do it again for you.
But seriously this is a trans forum and I am trans. I know where most guys get the descriptions from and I prefer to be called a woman but shemale and tranny don't bother me at all.
Please stop walking on eggshells and just be respectful no matter what description you use. If I am here then I know the deal. If I was so fragile that descriptions bothered me so much then I would be on other sights crying about it.
Look. Guys here are so special. I know where the curiosity stems from. It really is a good thing because it gives us legitimacy as women. Not only women but desirable women.
So stop worrying so much about the eggshells. Just be respectful, never compare us to men and ask away. Only one person that I know of has offended me here. No one else.
elexis666
11-28-2017, 08:33 PM
Really no need to walk on eggshells. I am a shemale, tranny, transwoman or woman. I was born male. I have a penis. Psychologically I am a she but physically more or less a male so I am a shemale. I am transgendered too in that I think and feel more like a woman emotionally so my gender does not match my physical body somewhat so I am trans gendered. I am a tranny.
Shemale. Why would that offend me? It can if it is used disrespectfully. It may be a description of the porn industry but it has made a lot of women quite a bit of money.
Tranny. Trans gendered or trans woman. It can also be used disrespectfully but also the porn industry has used this description of us too. I can't blame you for using this description as long as it is used respectfully instead of with distaste.
I am a girly girl in that I totally am feminine. I am not a genetic girl which most people would call cis women. But I am a girly girl. The clothes' the shoes' the makeup' the hair. the emotions, and so on. As a matter of fact some GGs if used as a genetic girl turn into Trans men. That would be like calling me a GM. So normally GG is used as a description of Girly Girls. Take Buck Angel. He is genetically a woman but he is a Manly Man. So the proper term between transgender and non trans gender is Trans and Cis.
Seriously though CCC, no descriptions offend me or should anyone because we know where you get the names from.;) It isn't as much about descriptions and names as much as it is about respect. Just be respectful. That is all we ask. Some do get offended by names because they haven't quite come to terms or too fragile psychologically even. I know who and what I am. Why deny it. I tell any guy up front. But then again I ain't hiding anything. If I go to a straight bar with girlfriends then I will thank a guy for a drink and that is all.
There was a member here that offended me because he talked about trans women looking like men dressed in women's clothes. In other words hairy legs, facial stubble and so on dressed in women's clothing. That sounds like no trans woman that I know of. In total actuality trans women shave their legs probably more than cis women do. Even in the winter time. Even in jeans. We usually love the feel of smooth legs not because of you necessarily but our selves. We go through hell with hair removal. We do not have 5 O'clock shadow. Shaving sometimes twice a day is irritating to the face, but we get used to it for you guys. We really don't want you to be seen with us with 5 o'clock shadow poling through our makeup. We don't want that for ourselves even but it is for you. So we shave with the grain first and then totally against the grain not once but twice a day. Then we usually wake up early and do it again for you.
But seriously this is a trans forum and I am trans. I know where most guys get the descriptions from and I prefer to be called a woman but shemale and tranny don't bother me at all.
Please stop walking on eggshells and just be respectful no matter what description you use. If I am here then I know the deal. If I was so fragile that descriptions bothered me so much then I would be on other sights crying about it.
Look. Guys here are so special. I know where the curiosity stems from. It really is a good thing because it gives us legitimacy as women. Not only women but desirable women.
So stop worrying so much about the eggshells. Just be respectful, never compare us to men and ask away. Only one person that I know of has offended me here. No one else.
:respect:
That's good to know. Personally, I do try to be as respectful as possible, and when I do slip and use something potentially offensive, I do worry about hurting people's feelings, when I really didn't mean to. I think if people had more conversations like this, we may be in danger of actual progressing as a society. It's nice to hear the opinion of someone who is actually trans. Hooray for opportunities to learn and grow as a person. :)
Terms like "shemale" and "tranny", and to a greater extent "femboi", "ladyboy" and "twink" all kind of excite me, because they make me think about individuals that I find sexy. I'd never use them to disparage someone.
1_Talent_Scout
05-05-2018, 10:31 AM
Really no need to walk on eggshells. I am a shemale, tranny, transwoman or woman. I was born male. I have a penis. Psychologically I am a she but physically more or less a male so I am a shemale. I am transgendered too in that I think and feel more like a woman emotionally so my gender does not match my physical body somewhat so I am trans gendered. I am a tranny.
Shemale. Why would that offend me? It can if it is used disrespectfully. It may be a description of the porn industry but it has made a lot of women quite a bit of money.
Tranny. Trans gendered or trans woman. It can also be used disrespectfully but also the porn industry has used this description of us too. I can't blame you for using this description as long as it is used respectfully instead of with distaste.
I am a girly girl in that I totally am feminine. I am not a genetic girl which most people would call cis women. But I am a girly girl. The clothes' the shoes' the makeup' the hair. the emotions, and so on. As a matter of fact some GGs if used as a genetic girl turn into Trans men. That would be like calling me a GM. So normally GG is used as a description of Girly Girls. Take Buck Angel. He is genetically a woman but he is a Manly Man. So the proper term between transgender and non trans gender is Trans and Cis.
Seriously though CCC, no descriptions offend me or should anyone because we know where you get the names from.;) It isn't as much about descriptions and names as much as it is about respect. Just be respectful. That is all we ask. Some do get offended by names because they haven't quite come to terms or too fragile psychologically even. I know who and what I am. Why deny it. I tell any guy up front. But then again I ain't hiding anything. If I go to a straight bar with girlfriends then I will thank a guy for a drink and that is all.
There was a member here that offended me because he talked about trans women looking like men dressed in women's clothes. In other words hairy legs, facial stubble and so on dressed in women's clothing. That sounds like no trans woman that I know of. In total actuality trans women shave their legs probably more than cis women do. Even in the winter time. Even in jeans. We usually love the feel of smooth legs not because of you necessarily but our selves. We go through hell with hair removal. We do not have 5 O'clock shadow. Shaving sometimes twice a day is irritating to the face, but we get used to it for you guys. We really don't want you to be seen with us with 5 o'clock shadow poling through our makeup. We don't want that for ourselves even but it is for you. So we shave with the grain first and then totally against the grain not once but twice a day. Then we usually wake up early and do it again for you.
But seriously this is a trans forum and I am trans. I know where most guys get the descriptions from and I prefer to be called a woman but shemale and tranny don't bother me at all.
Please stop walking on eggshells and just be respectful no matter what description you use. If I am here then I know the deal. If I was so fragile that descriptions bothered me so much then I would be on other sights crying about it.
Look. Guys here are so special. I know where the curiosity stems from. It really is a good thing because it gives us legitimacy as women. Not only women but desirable women.
So stop worrying so much about the eggshells. Just be respectful, never compare us to men and ask away. Only one person that I know of has offended me here. No one else.
Great post.
I'm new to the trans community, and honestly I just view women as women.
I've dated anatomically considered women with upper hair on their upper lip. I don't really care, it's just is what it is, everyone is unique and different.
like you pointed out, to me the most important thing is to treat everyone with respect.
And it's very easy to tell those who don't respect.
a9127
09-29-2018, 06:30 PM
The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.
And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!
Well said. :respect: Haven't seen you around here in a long time. Hope you'll come back my friend. :cool:
Andy
Boner
09-30-2018, 10:30 AM
Well said. :respect: Haven't seen you around here in a long time. Hope you'll come back my friend. :cool:
Andy
I certainly agree. Even though the site is geared to people who enjoy transexual pornography, I've made a real effort not to use terms like "shemale"or "tranny"anymore. Yes, I may objectify these ladies as sexual fantasies, but I am well aware that they are worthy of respect as performers and as people.:respect:
techno883
09-13-2019, 11:01 AM
Found this today as I sought more info to the very topic you're speaking of. I added a post for terminology identification. Having just replied to another member I recalled a name from a while back. I remembered you and some of the hardships you encountered but couldn't exactly recall your tag [name]. I don't think I'll forget 'you wonderful you' ever again.
More importantly, your sound advice and logical thinking behind all your comments were always a bright spot to TLB.
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