A gender ignorant world... is that really funky?

[hankhavelock]

In one thread Missy B (aka Bionca) mentioned that it would be almost impossible for her to go out, find a guy, both getting attracted, both falling in love, both getting married and then living happily ever after without a single word of transsexuality said...

Yes, THAT would be impossible, I'm sure... however, I don't believe it's impossible to have just as deep a relationship as cisgender folks have...

But my question is:

Would a completely gender ignorant world be preferable?

(in Missy B's favorite bar)

Missy B: "Hi I'm Bionca..."
H: "Wouw, you're hot, baby..."
Missy B: "Ok, enuff talking... let's go..."

DING DING DING (church bells six months later - now in wedding bed)

Missy B: "Rhmmm, you know I'm a trans, right, darling?"
H: "A what, sweetheart"
Missy B: "A trans T-R-A-N-S... you know, a chick with dick..."
H: "A chick-with-dick? Are you drunk, honey? What's a chick-with-dick?"
Missy B: "A woman - with a cock... a trans-woman, you know..."
H: "Yes, ofcourse you have a penis - what on earth are you talking about sweety? Ofcourse you have a penis... name me one real woman who doesn't..."
Missy B: "But you know... some women don't..."
H: "Yes, the poor darlings - I wonder how they have sex - must be boring..."
Missy B: "But some men and even women actually are attracted to women like that, dear"
H: "Attracted to women without a penis? Yes, I've heard, and honey, I guess we must be open-minded about these things... I'm sure they must have many personal traumas due to their unorthodox sexuality... besides I hear they smell so horribly of fish..."
Missy B: "Yes, I heard so too, darling"
H: "Well, at least we're perfectly normal and only occasionally smell of fish..."
Missy B: "HONEEEYYY!!! Don't SAY that I ever smell of fish!!!"
H: (giggling) "No ofcourse not, sweety! How could you? You're a perfectly normal woman with a perfectly healthy penis! And you know I so adore your sunday morning slight aroma of smekma... You're a goddess, dear"
Missy B: "Thank you, sweetheart... roll over, will you... I need to feed you some of that... smekma... and then some... grrr..."
H: "Be my guest, baby..."

Wouldn't it in the end remove the UNIQUENESS of being a trans-woman and a trans-lover?

Wouldn't it remove some of the excitement?

Just imagine...

H

[Bionca]

How did I miss this - LOL

I honestly can't imagine that world.

I do honestly believe that deep love is attainable between trans*women and men. I know for sure it happens between trans* and cis* women (some of the best relationships I know are trans/lesbians ones). I know a couple trans*woman /trans*man relationships and they seem to get on quite well. But Trans* woman / cis* man success stories seem as elusive as rainbows. But I keep giving it a try... I must like rainbows.

[darkstargemini]

> strange as it seems but from what i read on this forum all the guys want to be be with u but no one has got their yet just words some dumb ass reason i guess they don,t get out much or even have and idea what u r really like just my opinion but i don,t think they would feel right in a relationship with excussess such as what would my friends think or family yes u would have to hide her away boys oh GOD to go out in public with her oh so sad like i said grow up or maybe u r just gay and don,t realize it sad but true only my opinion carry on in your little dream world of your going to be actualy be with her.:hug:

[franalexes]

Those who continue to put themselves down should learn to becareful. Those who love them may get tired of pulling them up.
It's sort of like to old Bible parable: "Don't work on Sunday"
But if your ass ( donkey) gets stuck in a ditch on Sunday, go get him out.
But if your ass continues to get stuck in a ditch on Sunday, either shoot the ass or fill up the damn ditch!

[smc]

Perhaps it comes with getting older, but at this point in my life I cannot imagine falling in true love and then giving a shit about any of this incidental stuff regarding what might or might not be between the legs. Nor can I imagine caring much what anyone else thinks. For me, it's all about the heart.

[TheSkronkDonkey]

It's sort of like to old Bible parable: "Don't work on Sunday"
But if your ass ( donkey) gets stuck in a ditch on Sunday, go get him out.
But if your ass continues to get stuck in a ditch on Sunday, either shoot the ass or fill up the damn ditch!

Hey, I resent that! ;) :D

[franalexes]

Hey, I resent that! ;) :D

sorry, you'll have to wait,,,,,,'til Monday.:cool:

[hankhavelock]

But Trans* woman / cis* man success stories seem as elusive as rainbows. But I keep giving it a try... I must like rainbows.

No, honey... they are there and that is the right way...

There are so many cis* men out there who are just afraid to choose what they really want. It takes time to educate them and to make them feel at ease with them selves.

I'm rare, in as much that I didn't keep my new-found love a secret - I actually screamed it out loud because I was proud of it... proud of finding myself. And nothing makes me more warm and proud and strong and everything than holding my sweet trans-woman close to me. It's a bond... it's like being HOME. I hope I make sense...

I may have lost my ability to truly commit - maybe because I've been too much of a bloody playboy, but my deep, deep love for THAT trans-woman remains, and eventually I will find her and live with her ever after.

But the thing is, that I cannot be less picky. I cannot in all fairness say that being a trans-woman gives her a "free ride" (excuse my French). Yes, I want a trans-woman, but i also want a life partner who can match me and with whom I can truly enjoy all aspects of living.

I expect as much from a trans-woman as I do from a non-trans-woman - her transsexuality is divine, but in the end creating a relationship is based on total mutual mental and sexual attraction. In the end no-one can build a relationship solely based on her or his gender identificatition.

But you're still my Goddess, Missy B :-)

Kisses!

H

[Bionca]

No, honey... they are there and that is the right way...

There are so many cis* men out there who are just afraid to choose what they really want. It takes time to educate them and to make them feel at ease with them selves.

I'm rare, in as much that I didn't keep my new-found love a secret - I actually screamed it out loud because I was proud of it... proud of finding myself. And nothing makes me more warm and proud and strong and everything than holding my sweet trans-woman close to me. It's a bond... it's like being HOME. I hope I make sense...

I may have lost my ability to truly commit - maybe because I've been too much of a bloody playboy, but my deep, deep love for THAT trans-woman remains, and eventually I will find her and live with her ever after.

But the thing is, that I cannot be less picky. I cannot in all fairness say that being a trans-woman gives her a "free ride" (excuse my French). Yes, I want a trans-woman, but i also want a life partner who can match me and with whom I can truly enjoy all aspects of living.

I expect as much from a trans-woman as I do from a non-trans-woman - her transsexuality is divine, but in the end creating a relationship is based on total mutual mental and sexual attraction. In the end no-one can build a relationship solely based on her or his gender identificatition.

But you're still my Goddess, Missy B :-)

Kisses!

H

Obviously there are guys who have the pluck to make a real go of a relationship. But, and you have to admit, the number of curious guys willing to say whatever it takes and/or guys who genuinely THINK they know what they want is way more than those who "get it" and can/will try to make it work.

Standards shouldn't be lowered because a woman is Trans*. By all means there are some issues that trans* women have socially that her guy will have to share with her, and that may make for some consideration. But folks need to "click" and be compatible and all that.

And... sorry if I sounded sulky above. I was just pointing out that the number of GG/TG relationships that last more than a week, and are serious FAR greater than guy/trans.

[rockabilly]

If you truly love someone and they love you then gender should not matter. We are so much more than what are genitals say we are. When i find my Tgirlfriend i would be more than glad to hold her hand while walking and kiss her in public and marry her. Because everyone has the right to be happy and if people don't like it FUCK them and their narrow minds ;)

[hankhavelock]

Missy B: "Honey...."
H: "Yes, darling"
Missy B: "I want to get into some heavy porn..."
H: "Should I get nervous here, sweetheart?"
Missy B: "No, it's just because I SO MUCH need constant dick and recognition as a hotty lill tranny..."
H: "Ok, baby, and...?"
Missy B: "We need the money as well..."
H: "Yes, ofcourse, you have a point... "
Missy B: "So it's ok, darling?"
H: "Are you displeased with my level of giving you orgasms... you have your five a day, darling... and I do swallow..."
Missy B: "No, darling, and you KNOW I love you... but I need MORE..."
H: "Yes, yes, of course... you are one heck of a horny woman..."
Missy B: (blushing) "Yes, you know me, darling"
H: "Well, GO for it, baby. You know I'm here for you..."
Missy B: "But honey, what will the children say?!!"
H: "Honeeeyyy..."
Missy B: (giggling) "You know the children I so much want to have with you, darling..."
H: "Yes, baby, we'll adopt when you're ready... and you'll be the best and most DISCIPLINARY mother... sometimes you scare me... but you ARE a Goddess in leather and fur..."
Missy B: "Yes, I'm lovely, ain't I?
H: "You always were, honey..."

"walk with me, take my hand... fall in love with a stupid man..."

:-)

Just imagine...

[hankhavelock]

Obviously there are guys who have the pluck to make a real go of a relationship. But, and you have to admit, the number of curious guys willing to say whatever it takes and/or guys who genuinely THINK they know what they want is way more than those who "get it" and can/will try to make it work.

Standards shouldn't be lowered because a woman is Trans*. By all means there are some issues that trans* women have socially that her guy will have to share with her, and that may make for some consideration. But folks need to "click" and be compatible and all that.

And... sorry if I sounded sulky above. I was just pointing out that the number of GG/TG relationships that last more than a week, and are serious FAR greater than guy/trans.

Missy B, all I can say is that when do you come by to spend the night with a stupid man? ;-)

Sweet Ly is coming in a week and will stay for a month and yet I belong to Liza... it's complicated, but yet no more complicated than it was with the GGs.

The GG/TG relationships that you refer to must be a strictly Western thing... that's not the thing here in Asia. GG/TG... yikes... not really happening here... but ofcourse, there are quite a bit of socalled "trans-lesbian" Westerners, and if that rocks their world, then that's how it is. I really have limited experience in that direction.

Open up and be ready for a guy, darling... he must be there soon... you are SO gorgeous and totally intelligent, so why do you scare them away? Are there simply only two honest tranny-lovers in the USA?

I don't get it...

H