Everything you wanted to know about TS gurls

[franalexes]

Everything you wanted to know about Bionca, Franalexes or any other T-gurl but were afraid to ask, might be answered here. There is even a test to find out if maybe you are TS yourself. Take the test anyway,( I predict the guys will.) you will probably find out that what you think you know, you don't.
http://transsexual.org/
Remember this site before one of our moderators deletes it. If they do, well, I'll deal with them later.;)

[dicktracy]

Interesting website link. The only question it didn't answer is why it is so hard to find any asian t-girls in my american city, Chicago, Illinois, USA. I know there must be some real t-girls of asian descent in this part of my country, but I can't find any for some reason or other. Maybe I have to search "underground" or just fly to Japan or Thailand to find "the real (asian) thing?"

[franalexes]

why it is so hard to find any asian t-girls in my american city, ?"

When in Wyoming, and you hear hoofbeats, don't expect zebras.:rolleyes:

[randolph]

Everything you wanted to know about Bionca, Franalexes or any other T-gurl but were afraid to ask, might be answered here. There is even a test to find out if maybe you are TS yourself. Take the test anyway,( I predict the guys will.) you will probably find out that what you think you know, you don't.
http://transsexual.org/
Remember this site before one of our moderators deletes it. If they do, well, I'll deal with them later.;)

Are we going to have an in depth discussion of love, lust, sex, genitalia, breasts, buns, attachments, obsessions, infatuations and just plain fun?
I cant wait!:inlove::turnon::heart::kiss::hug::p:drool::l ol::D

[franalexes]

Are we going to have an in depth discussion of love, lust, sex, genitalia, breasts, buns, attachments, obsessions, infatuations and just plain fun?
I cant wait!:inlove::turnon::heart::kiss::hug::p:drool::l ol::D

Most guys that get it up,,,,,,are a big let down.:frown:

[orion]

Most guys that get it up,,,,,,are a big let down.:frown:

Hi Fran ...

Just curious to know in what respect are they a let down ?

[Fenone]

Most guys that get it up,,,,,,are a big let down.:frown:

Hi Franalexes!
One question:Does love exist in your life?
It's harder to find love than straight guys,true?

p.s. Fran,sorry for my wap english!i DO NOT mind to offend you,:respect: and :hug:!!!!

[smc]

Take the test anyway,( I predict the guys will.) you will probably find out that what you think you know, you don't.
http://transsexual.org/

Thank you, Fran, for the link. I took the test. Assuming it is accurate, it is fascinating to discover that my COGIATI result value means that I fall into the category or classification of ANDROGYNE. The explanation that follows on the website helps me understand myself and is a good guide to what I am going through in my exploration of sexuality. I am grateful.:respect:

[randolph]

Most guys that get it up,,,,,,are a big let down.:frown:

Do I presume you are suggesting that jocks are poor lovers. :respect::turnoff:

[transjen]

When in Wyoming, and you hear hoofbeats, don't expect zebras.:rolleyes: :lol: Ouch still hurts when i laught :D Jennifer

[miss_kandy]

interesting COGIATI test

thanx for the link :)

[randolph]

When in Wyoming, and you hear hoofbeats, don't expect zebras.:rolleyes:

Its probably Franny riding into town to get parts for her truck. :lol:;)

[franalexes]

At least trucks have "working parts".:p:lol:

[Fenone]

At least trucks have "working parts".:p:lol:
You have a beautiful sense of humor Fran!

[randolph]

At least trucks have "working parts".:p:lol:

The most important part of a truck is the starter.:p:yes:

[orion]

Do I presume you are suggesting that jocks are poor lovers. :respect::turnoff:

Careful Randolph .. you're in danger of alienating our Scottish Members .... ;)

[randolph]

Careful Randolph .. you're in danger of alienating our Scottish Members .... ;)

Humm, Kilts are no problem, also their cock pocket is kinda cool. ;):cool:

[randolph]

Everything you wanted to know about Bionca, Franalexes or any other T-gurl but were afraid to ask, might be answered here. There is even a test to find out if maybe you are TS yourself. Take the test anyway,( I predict the guys will.) you will probably find out that what you think you know, you don't.
http://transsexual.org/
Remember this site before one of our moderators deletes it. If they do, well, I'll deal with them later.;)

OK, Here is one. Why do "nice" tgirls like Bionca and Fran participate in this site full of sex crazed horny males? :respect::innocent:

[orion]

Hi Randolph ..

Actually, I'd agree .. I find women or T-girls wearing short(ish) Kilts a real turn on .. don't know why & I can't be bothered to get all "Freudian" about it either .. it just works for me ... ;) :lol:

On the other hand "regulation" length Kilts are definitely out for me ...

Whilst on the subject of Kilts ... thought folks might like to see this funny photo .. the Guy doing the "flashing" (with the smug grin) is in fact the Adjutant (in charge of discipline) of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders ...

Apparently, HM saw the funny side of it ....

Apologies for having taken the thread slightly off course ...

[franalexes]

The most important part of a truck is the starter.:p:yes:

Old truckers never die. They just get a new Peterbilt.:rolleyes:

[randolph]

Old truckers never die. They just get a new Peterbilt.:rolleyes:

Yey! Now its time to hit the road.;):lol:

[randolph]

Hi Randolph ..

Actually, I'd agree .. I find women or T-girls wearing short(ish) Kilts a real turn on .. don't know why & I can't be bothered to get all "Freudian" about it either .. it just works for me ... ;) :lol:

On the other hand "regulation" length Kilts are definitely out for me ...

Whilst on the subject of Kilts ... thought folks might like to see this funny photo .. the Guy doing the "flashing" (with the smug grin) is in fact the Adjutant (2nd in Command) of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders ...

Apparently, HM saw the funny side of it ....

Apologies for having taken the thread slightly off course ...

My god, he's not wearing a cock pocket! :lol:;)

[franalexes]

Well, back on track, did any of you guys take the COGIATI test?

[smc]

Well, back on track, did any of you guys take the COGIATI test?

Thank you, Fran, for getting us back on track. I was just about to post a plea to stop this bickering (for want of a stronger word) and do precisely that. I reported in an earlier post that I took the test and found it, and the description of what the results mean, to be a very positive, reinforcing, and helpful tool along my path. I am grateful to you for having posted the link. :respect:

[transjen]

People please keep in mind that this test may make you think and is fun but there is no magic test or blood test or anyway to say or prove who is really transsexual only that person knows for sure and sadly some of them ain't really sure they are the sad stories you hear about and are wishing they never had SRS, The test at best may only reinforce ones belief but should not be the be all and end all :hug: Jennifer

[manus51]

I just tried to access the web site with the test , it is under construction, has anyone else tried?

[smc]

People please keep in mind that this test may make you think and is fun but there is no magic test or blood test or anyway to say or prove who is really transsexual only that person knows for sure and sadly some of them ain't really sure they are the sad stories you hear about and are wishing they never had SRS, The test at best may only reinforce ones belief but should not be the be all and end all :hug: Jennifer

Very important points! I found the explanation of the results to be instructive and thought-provoking, but I certainly would not trust any such test to determine conclusively who or what I am. To the degree that the explanation of the results give me language to articulate some of what I think and feel, it is well worth the few minutes it takes to take the test. But Jennifer is absolutely right. :respect:

[randolph]

Well, back on track, did any of you guys take the COGIATI test?

I started the test, but soon realized I didn't fit. I don't desire to wear girlie clothes I just like tgirlies with girlie clothes on or off. :lol::D:inlove::turnon:
Although, If I was reincarnated, what would I want to be?
Humm, A fully loaded hot tranny (see avatar) might be exciting.:cool:

[franalexes]

IHumm, A fully loaded hot tranny (see avatar) might be exciting.:cool:

Fully loaded hot tranny,,,
Well, looks like we are back trucking again
dear Lord, horny guys just can't stay on track.

[smc]

Fully loaded hot tranny,,,
Well, looks like we are back trucking again
dear Lord, horny guys just can't stay on track.

Perhaps the way is that some posts should simply not be answered?

[randolph]

Fully loaded hot tranny,,,
Well, looks like we are back trucking again
dear Lord, horny guys just can't stay on track.

There are a lot of switches on this track and they are all interesting.
However, I thought we were supposed to get illuminating insite on what tgirls are all about.
Question: are "nice" tgirls fun and exciting or they like ho hum regular girls?:respect:
Question: in general, what kind of guys do tgirls like? :respect:

[randolph]

Perhaps the way is that some posts should simply not be answered?

Be careful SMC, if you want to know what its like to get flamed by a tgirl, just irritate Franny. God, it feels good! ;):lol:

[orion]

Sorry folks .. the detour was all my fault by making a supposedly witty observation on Randolph's comment about "Jocks" .. which led to Kilts .. I just have that sort of mind ...

I'll try to behave myself in future ..

MODS .. Could we please have a "smiley" for blushing ??? ... :D

[smc]

Be careful SMC, if you want to know what its like to get flamed by a tgirl, just irritate Franny. God, it feels good! ;):lol:

My comment was about your posts, not hers. I have every confidence that Fran understood it that way.

[ila]

MODS .. Could we please have a "smiley" for blushing ??? ... :D

I'm afraid that you'll have to address that to admin. Mods aren't allowed to have that kind of power. Good request though. There are a few times I could have used an embarrassed icon.

[franalexes]

Be careful SMC, if you want to know what its like to get flamed by a tgirl, just irritate Franny. God, it feels good! ;):lol:

I'll give you a flame! you need not worry about cum, you'll wish you had went.:censored:

[randolph]

There are a lot of switches on this track and they are all interesting.
However, I thought we were supposed to get illuminating insite on what tgirls are all about.
Question: are "nice" tgirls fun and exciting or they like ho hum regular girls?:respect:
Question: in general, what kind of guys do tgirls like? :respect:

OK, I know my eyebrows will grow back.;)
What about the questions?:respect:

[new believer]

Everything you wanted to know about Bionca, Franalexes or any other T-gurl but were afraid to ask, might be answered here. There is even a test to find out if maybe you are TS yourself. Take the test anyway,( I predict the guys will.) you will probably find out that what you think you know, you don't.
http://transsexual.org/
Remember this site before one of our moderators deletes it. If they do, well, I'll deal with them later.;)

I had to 'guess-ti-mate' #'s 9,32,35,43,46 and 65. And after all that ,I come up with a -125. I never thought as myself as a non-gender. I'll leave it to the experts (Fran and Bionca,and I say that respectfully) to explain how I should live the rest of my life. Because now I'm REALLY Freakin' confused. Thanks Fran.:frown:

[Bionca]

OK, Here is one. Why do "nice" tgirls like Bionca and Fran participate in this site full of sex crazed horny males? :respect::innocent:

Because bad things happen when boys are allowed to run around without supervision.

[Bionca]

I had to 'guess-ti-mate' #'s 9,32,35,43,46 and 65. And after all that ,I come up with a -125. I never thought as myself as a non-gender. I'll leave it to the experts (Fran and Bionca,and I say that respectfully) to explain how I should live the rest of my life. Because now I'm REALLY Freakin' confused. Thanks Fran.:frown:

Tests like that are only a useful tool and not in any way diagnostic. The purpose is to show that the majority of people are not neatly "man" or "woman".

I hate sounding essentialist, because whenever someone says "all X are Y" someone comes along and points out that there are exceptions that break the rule. With that in mind...

All Trans* people have an understanding of themselves as being not in accord with their physical body and chafe under the social expectations assigned to them based on that body. It should also be understood that there is a spectrum of identities that are essentially "trans". Simply because one may not nicely fit the box that was checked when the doctor decided to look at one's crotch does not mean there is any need to transition of modify the body. It simply means one is a human being who, like most of us, defies labels and quantification.

[randolph]

OK, So how do you propose to deal with this bunch of sex crazed males.:respect:
I suspect if you said "down boy" we would be on our knees in an instant.;):lol::inlove:

[smc]

It simply means one is a human being who, like most of us, defies labels and quantification.

Imagine a world where everyone could accept being such a human and accept the existence of other such humans, whatever the label and/or quantification (not just about gender). I long for that world, although I have no illusions that I will ever see it.

[Bionca]

OK, So how do you propose to deal with this bunch of sex crazed males.:respect:
I suspect if you said "down boy" we would be on our knees in an instant.;):lol::inlove:

You make that sound as if this was somehow unique to this site. I assure you, the world if full of "sex crazed males". I deal with a mixture of flirtation, education, and a well placed kick to the ego when called for.

And if one of those men is verrrrry lucky, he may get a "down boy". :innocent:

[randolph]

Imagine a world where everyone could accept being such a human and accept the existence of other such humans, whatever the label and/or quantification (not just about gender). I long for that world, although I have no illusions that I will ever see it.

Yes, acceptance is better than tolerance. I think Obama gave a very good speech today. At long last we seem to be dealing with our hypocritical legacy.:yes:

[Bionca]

Imagine a world where everyone could accept being such a human and accept the existence of other such humans, whatever the label and/or quantification (not just about gender). I long for that world, although I have no illusions that I will ever see it.

We are getting closer in some respects. I think that gender identity is the last frontier in many ways. So many people have a vested interest in maintaining a two-sex system that is static from birth to death. From Fundamentalist Christians to Radical Feminists who need to have their theories trump lived experiences.

[randolph]

You make that sound as if this was somehow unique to this site. I assure you, the world if full of "sex crazed males". I deal with a mixture of flirtation, education, and a well placed kick to the ego when called for.

And if one of those men is verrrrry lucky, he may get a "down boy". :innocent:

Yes, the internet is overflowing with sex crazed males.:coupling:

Another question: Do "nice" tgurls like some types of porn?:respect:

[Bionca]

Yes, the internet is overflowing with sex crazed males.:coupling:

Another question: Do "nice" tgurls like some types of porn?:respect:

HA! I was talking about walking down the street. I have never met a guy who didn't have sex on the brain. It's no mystery.. remember I was in the locker room too. I shared a dorm room with guys who thought I was just like them (kinda). If you aren't getting sex, you are planing how to get sex - with the occasional time out for work or using the bathroom.

Sure - at least I like some porn. I don't like Shemale porn (mostly because the quality is crap, the story is crap and the same 10 semi-attractive guys are in all the movies). Not to mention the gals in those movies make me a little self-conscious. I much prefer gay porn since the guys are better looking than the ones in trans or straight porn. But porn is not such a big deal for me.

[randolph]

HA! I was talking about walking down the street. I have never met a guy who didn't have sex on the brain. It's no mystery.. remember I was in the locker room too. I shared a dorm room with guys who thought I was just like them (kinda). If you aren't getting sex, you are planing how to get sex - with the occasional time out for work or using the bathroom.

Sure - at least I like some porn. I don't like Shemale porn (mostly because the quality is crap, the story is crap and the same 10 semi-attractive guys are in all the movies). Not to mention the gals in those movies make me a little self-conscious. I much prefer gay porn since the guys are better looking than the ones in trans or straight porn. But porn is not such a big deal for me.

Yes, I agree, If I had spent as much time thinking about making money as I still think about sex I would be up there with Gates and Buffet (maybe).

I like watching some porn, vids with tgirls and girls but essentially no porn with men. They act like morons and look like idiots, a cock with two legs.
I like writing porn and reading some tgirl porn. Actually I am getting a little bored with the endless shemale images on the forum. We could use better quality images.
You and Fran make the forum much more interesting.:hug::kiss::inlove:

[transjen]

Actually I am getting a little bored with the endless shemale images on the forum. We could use better quality images.
Just wondering what kind of images you'ld like to see prettier girls or nastier photos or perhaps more real life Tgirls, Rember in the porn industery beauty is a strong selling point forcing a lot of girls to under go countless surgeries :frown: Jennifer

[franalexes]

Actually I am getting a little bored with the endless shemale images on the forum. We could use better quality images.


You ( Bionca ) and Fran make the forum much more interesting.:hug::kiss::inlove:

I hope these two lines aren't related.:eek:

[randolph]

Just wondering what kind of images you'ld like to see prettier girls or nastier photos or perhaps more real life Tgirls, Rember in the porn industery beauty is a strong selling point forcing a lot of girls to under go countless surgeries :frown: Jennifer

I like well posed photos of good looking tgurls in nice surroundings. Have you seen some of the photos of tgurls in Russia. Admittedly, a lot of photoshop there but nevertheless some very beautiful tgurls in very beautiful settings. Also, I would like to see more real life tgurls, unfortunately most of them are reluctant to share pictures. :respect::hug::kiss:
When are you coming home? Jennifer

[orion]

I rather tend to agree with Randolph ...

Nice though the pics of professional models are .. they do become a little repetetive ..

It would be good to see the occasional photo of real Transwomen .. simply going about their daily lives .. nothing necessarily salacious ..

Though I can fully appreciate the reluctance of "real" people to post their photos online ...

[marlowe]

..... real Transwomen .....

Uh oh! Here we go.
Over to you ladies.:)

[Rachel]

I like bondage porn.

[franalexes]

I am not offended by Orions statement of "real transwowen". In the context that it is written I see he means the more or less ordinary trans people that do the everyday things we call life.
Walk in my footsteps and you would be in high heels or maybe in barn boots that Christmas eve when I had to take care of a barn full of animals.
My figure was the same but the surounding elements were not condusive to a romantic encounter.

[randolph]

I am not offended by Orions statement of "real transwowen". In the context that it is written I see he means the more or less ordinary trans people that do the everyday things we call life.
Walk in my footsteps and you would be in high heels or maybe in barn boots that Christmas eve when I had to take care of a barn full of animals.
My figure was the same but the surounding elements were not condusive to a romantic encounter.

Good morning Franny. I'm up early. Have the cows been milked and the chickens fed? Are you freezing back there?
Your Ol'e Geezer:hug::kiss:

[randolph]

Just wondering what kind of images you'ld like to see prettier girls or nastier photos or perhaps more real life Tgirls, Rember in the porn industery beauty is a strong selling point forcing a lot of girls to under go countless surgeries :frown: Jennifer

Hi Jennifer,
Here is the kind of "professional" photo I like. Good lighting, well posed, good background and a drop dead gorgeous tgurl.:inlove::yes::D

[franalexes]

After much frustration, fighting the temptation to leave, and trying to correct mis-use of terms, we have a success story. I did a "cut & paste" and the answer to the question is here. It came from one of the 19,000 members. (18,999 to go )

Dear Fran,
I signed up at Transladyboy because I was interested in shemale porn. I then began participating in the forum and began to enjoy the exchanges and banter. As I read your posts and Bionca’s posts I realized this forum had more to offer than raw porn. Transgender issues are interesting to me, I guess I like complex human nature. Getting acquainted with you and becoming a little bit aware of what it’s like to be transsexual has been good for me. I had a very stereotypical view that transsexuals (shemales) were basically hypersexed prostitutes. You and Bionca have straightened me out on that.

[randolph]

I like bondage porn.

I guess the implication of bondage is that by suffering and being humiliated there will be at the end a sexual reward. It reminds me of the micro world where male spiders are willing (anthropomorphic) to die in order to have one shot at sex. Got to be really, really horny to do that! :eek::frown:

[smc]

The letter Fran shares is like my own story. I happened upon the forum of "Freebies," not even realizing there was anything else or even a general website called Transladyboy. I found some pictures and I shared some pictures. It was the same old thing, made interesting only by the fact that there were pictures I hadn't seen. I kept sharing some of my own because I thought that's what you do if you're going to be in an online community.

Then I took my eyes off the pictures for a moment and discovered that there was chat and some other parts to the forum. I began to read, and I found several posts where people were telling long stories about their own circumstances, confusion, etc. I consistently found Bionca's replies, and I began to realize that I had come to this place for a different reason. I began to compose my own tale of circumstances and confusion, trying to make it something that in sharing would both encourage people to answer with serious posts and also help anyone else who might read it and shared some of my same questions. The fact that I write for a living makes writing this take longer than it should, I suppose, and that is why I haven't yet posted it. I want it to be perfect, but I realize I must abandon that perspective.

Meanwhile, I wrote a note to Bionca to thank her for her posts. And I found myself, while continuing to look at picture and post them (especially in one thread I started), turning to the "exchanges and banter." What I had found was a community of people with whom I could be myself, even if I wasn't sure what "myself" was. Since then, I have ventured to interject my own thoughts into some of the discussions, especially about "real girls." I have taken the test Fran suggested, and (keeping all of Bionca's caveats firmly in mind), begun to learn some more about what drives me to want to be in this community and also to look at those pictures. Being here has also helped me understand why I had such a difficult time a few years ago when circumstances put me in a working group with several transgendered people, where I worked (over)hard to make it clear to them that I accepted them fully and where they mostly shunned me -- probably because in the way that I "accepted" them I actually did what they did not want to have done, which is make them "exceptions" in some way. If any of them are on this forum and can figure out who I am, I apologize for any discomfort I may have caused, unintentional as it was.

So, Fran, although I did not write this in a personal message to you, I hope you will revise your number to 18,998.:respect:

[randolph]

Keep it up gurls. Bionca's gentleness and Fran's flaming worked for one, it should work for more of us guys with brains in our balls. :respect::hug:

[marlowe]

18,997. :yes:

[randolph]

Some of you may already know that the Pope condemned homosexuality and transsexuality as a greater threat to humanity than global warming! Christianity, supposedly, preaches tolerance yet its leaders preach the opposite. This is just one of the reasons why people who are perceived to be different are mistreated and persecuted. The world will never be a safe place for humanity as long as we have assholes fomenting intolerance. :censored::frown:

[randolph]

Transsexuals in history:

Some transsexual individuals from myth and history:
bullet Venus Castina was a mythical ancient Greek goddess who "reacted sympathetically to feminine souls locked up in male bodies."

bullet Sardanapalus, an Assyrian king, allegedly dressed in women's clothing and spun thread with his wives. 1

bullet Some Scythian soldiers were said to have pillaged the temple of Venus at Ascelon in ancient times. The Goddess retaliated by converting the male soldiers into females and affecting their descendents in the same way. 2

bullet Philo of Judea (30 BCE to 40 CE) wrote about transsexuality.

bullet Ovid (43 BCE to 18 CE) was a prolific Roman poet. One of his most famous works is a play titled Metamorphoses. In it, Teresias -- a male -- becomes Teresa when he hit two copulating snakes with a piece of wood. She was transformed back into a male by the same process. 1

bullet Emperor Nero (37 to 68 CE)is said to have sought a replacement for his wife that he had previously murdered. The face of Sporum, a young male ex-slave, resembled his late wife. So Nero had Sporum transformed into a woman; he later married her. 2

bullet Gregory Tours (538 to 594 CE) wrote a story about a man who had worn women's clothing as a child and had continued into adulthood by dressing as a nun and living in a convent. 1

bullet During the ninth century CE, John Anglicus -- an English scientist -- was allegedly elected pope of the Roman Catholic Church by an unanimous vote, to succeed Pope Leo V in 853 CE. However, according to the story, he was actually Joan, a woman. She gave birth during a procession in Rome and was either assassinated on the spot or sent to a convent for the rest of her life to repent. There is no such pope in modern official church records. 3

bullet There are records in the 13th century of two European women who dressed in monk's garments in order to masquerade as males: one was Palagia who to keep her former life as a prostitute secret; another was a woman escaping from an unhappy marriage. 1

bullet During the 17th century, Abbé de Choisy, a genetic male, played as an actress for five months and later became the Ambassador of Louis XIV to Siam. 2

bullet Chevalier d'Eon (1728 to 1810) was a male French diplomat and mistress to King Louis XV. He spent the second half of his life as a woman. Eonism, a term referring to cross-gendered behavior, was derived from d'Eon's name. It was first used by Havelock Ellis, an early human sexuality researcher. Its usage is now obsolete.

bullet Lord Cornbury was the first royal governor of New Jersey and New York from 1702 to 1708. He is widely believed to have dressed as a woman during his term in office. However, Patricia Bonomi has written a book attacking this belief and attributing them to rumors by his political enemies. 4

[transjen]

Some of you may already know that the Pope condemned homosexuality and transsexuality as a greater threat to humanity than global warming! Christianity, supposedly, preaches tolerance yet its leaders preach the opposite. This is just one of the reasons why people who are perceived to be different are mistreated and persecuted. The world will never be a safe place for humanity as long as we have assholes fomenting intolerance. :censored::frown: Oh don't get me started on these bible thumpers and hollier then thous, They can all kiss my :censored: and take there :censored::censored: and jam it, At least i don't stand preaching the bible blasting gays and transgendered as sinful evil people then go out to have sex with under aged boys, Sorry about the rant but this really ticks me off :( Jennifer

[Rachel]

I guess the implication of bondage is that by suffering and being humiliated there will be at the end a sexual reward. It reminds me of the micro world where male spiders are willing (anthropomorphic) to die in order to have one shot at sex. Got to be really, really horny to do that! :eek::frown:

To each their own For many of us it is not suffering or humiliation it is a turn on. I myself am very into B&D but dont care for S&M. Many think the two are related but they are not.

[randolph]

To each their own For many of us it is not suffering or humiliation it is a turn on. I myself am very into B&D but dont care for S&M. Many think the two are related but they are not.

I am not into pain with sex, however if I was with a hot shemale dressed in black leather, tall black boots and a Greek captains cap and she demanded that I suck her cock, compliance would not be a problem.;):lol:

[Bionca]

Nice stuff Randolph- More Trans History:

1) Mesopatamia - Priestesses of the Goddess Ishtar/Ashera/Innana were often born male and served as harlots (temple priestesses who had sex with male worshipers).

2) The Goddess Cybele form Asia Minor and later worshiped in Rome has a class of priests who functioned as women in dress and manner who would sometimes ritually castrate themselves.

3) Native American "Two-Spirit" people were believed to posess the "qualities" of both men and women (called "Berdache" by the French). They often held sacred places within the community and because of their ability to transcend gender roles were thought to be better able to communicate with the "spirit world".

4) Nearly all South East Asian cultures have a cultural place for what we would understand to be a transsesual woman. Usually this is understood to be a "third sex". European colonialism made most of these criminal under "crimes against nature". The irony is, while Europe is leading the way for recognition of Trans*folks legally, the places where this was accepted as a cultural norm centuries ago are struggling to regain this understanding.

[Bionca]

Some of you may already know that the Pope condemned homosexuality and transsexuality as a greater threat to humanity than global warming! Christianity, supposedly, preaches tolerance yet its leaders preach the opposite. This is just one of the reasons why people who are perceived to be different are mistreated and persecuted. The world will never be a safe place for humanity as long as we have assholes fomenting intolerance. :censored::frown:

Yeah.. with continents torn by war, a global economic crisis, Cholera epidemic in Africa, a generation of orphans due to HIV (and the Church's anti condom teachings). The greatest threat to the world isn't Greed or Pride or Hate it's the Homos and the Trannies.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[smc]

Yesterday afternoon I had an encounter that I think speaks volumes not only about how intolerant our society (here in the United States) is about transgender issues but also what that hatred and vitriol sows among those at whom it is directed. I met an acquaintance from college (which was a long time ago) for lunch at a small restaurant in Boston with only seven or eight tables. We had not seen each other for several years. It was an hour or so past the lunch rush hour.

During our conversation, I commented that he seemed to be distracted by something at a table behind me, out of my line of site. He whispered, "I can't believe that guy is in here!"

Not wishing to be rude, I didn't turn to look. I asked him if it was someone he knew. "I don't know him, but he's a freak," was his answer. I changed the subject.

A short while later I had to use the rest room. Walking back to our table, I noticed a woman who appeared to be in her mid-30s sitting at another table. It was apparent to me that she was transgendered in some way -- transvestite? transsexual? I couldn't tell. I didn't stare, just caught a quick glance. She looked at me blankly.

When I sat back down, I said to my acquaintance, "I think you mean the woman over there." He had said "man."

I was shocked at how quickly things turned. Raising his voice, he became accusatory. "Now you're going to defend him?!" he said, loud enough for her to hear.

I asked him what his problem was, and he told me I had the problem. I suggested we should leave. Fortunately, we had by now finished eating and had paid the bill, and were only sitting and nursing cups of coffee. He agreed. As we walked by the table where the woman sat, he said to no one in particular, but loud enough again for her to hear: "Faggot!"

I was behind him, and I stopped at her table and said that I was sorry for his behavior and that I thought she looked beautiful today. I guess that was a mistake. It was meant to be reassuring, but she told me this quietly: "Go fuck yourself."

I told my acquaintance off once we were outside, and our little argument attracted a bit of attention on the street. We parted company acrimoniously. On the way home, sitting on the T (our subway), I began to think more about why she had responded to what I thought would be comforting words. The only answer I could come up with was that if it wasn't her mood at that particular moment, then it must be the weight of a world of intolerance.

I admit it: I cried about this last night.

We have such a long way to go.

[randolph]

Recently, I had a similar experience. I was at our local Starbucks with a friend. I looked up at the counter and noticed a person dressed in a sexy outfit. Now, where I live it would be very unusual for somebody to be dressed like that. Since I am interested in transexuals, I looked at her more closely and was quite sure that she was trans. As she left the counter, I caught her eye and smiled, she was gorgeous. As she strutted past me in high heels, she looked right at me and stuck out her tongue! :(:confused::turnoff:

[franalexes]

she told me this quietly: "Go fuck yourself."


I'm thinking the attitude of your friend already set the stage for the two of you since you were together.
Given that a lot of "exchanges" are unsolicited and like your friend's, we can not "let our gaurd down". We are not always in a receptive mode.
In her eyes your friend was trash, illustrated by his remarks. You, since you were with him are also trash, followed by a kiss-ass cover-up remark. Maybe that remark from her was meant for both and primarily the first.
It would have been difficult to start a conversation with this person even if your friend had not been there.
If you yank on the chain hard enough and often enough you will have a mad dog. I don't know her past but I can guess.

*Randolph* In your case, she could have been just bitchy. Did you think you were God's gift to womanhood?

[randolph]

*Randolph* In your case, she could have been just bitchy. Did you think you were God's gift to womanhood?

Well Fran, you just don't know me well enough. ;):lol::kiss:

[franalexes]

*Randolph* In your case, she could have been just bitchy. Did you think you were God's gift to womanhood?

Well Fran, you just don't know me well enough. ;):lol::kiss:

EEEE Gawd! Would I want to?:lol:

[randolph]

EEEE Gawd! Would I want to?:lol:

You know you do, I'm irrestible.;):yes::lol:

[franalexes]

You know you do, I'm irrestible.;):yes::lol:

"irresistible."
Well, you pass the test. You are a guy. You can't spell when you are horny.

[randolph]

"irresistible."
Well, you pass the test. You are a guy. You can't spell when you are horny.

Well, I cant spell when I'm not horny. Oops, cancel that, I'm always horny.;):lol::D

[franalexes]

Well, I cant spell when I'm not horny. Oops, cancel that, I'm always horny.;):lol::D

That's what I mean.:rolleyes:

.:innocent:
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Fran:heart:

[randolph]

That's what I mean.:rolleyes:

.:innocent:
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Fran:heart:

OK,OK, I am about to lose it, what next? :inlove::turnon::inlove:

[smc]

I'm thinking the attitude of your friend already set the stage for the two of you since you were together.
Given that a lot of "exchanges" are unsolicited and like your friend's, we can not "let our gaurd down". We are not always in a receptive mode.
In her eyes your friend was trash, illustrated by his remarks. You, since you were with him are also trash, followed by a kiss-ass cover-up remark. Maybe that remark from her was meant for both and primarily the first.
It would have been difficult to start a conversation with this person even if your friend had not been there.
If you yank on the chain hard enough and often enough you will have a mad dog. I don't know her past but I can guess.

Of course, Fran, your explanation makes perfect sense. Let it be known, however, that my remark may have been perceived as "kiss-ass cover-up" but it was not intended in that way. I chose the wrong words to convey: 1) I thought the guy I was with was trash; 2) she can be whatever she wants to be, and what he or I think shouldn't and doesn't matter; and 3) there are all kinds of "beautiful" but, unfortunately, too many idiots who can't see them beyond their straitjacketed conventions. In my rush, or shame for being in that situation, or whatever, I failed to communicate effectively. I believe the communicator, not the communicatee, is always responsible for misperceptions, and so I willingly take the blame.

But you are right, too, that it might have been all the same even under different circumstances. And that, I guess, is what makes me the most saddened by it all. As I explore myself I feel the need to tell everyone else who is challenged by not being what society wrongly insists is "normal" that I am in solidarity. Certainly, I just can't do that. To express solidarity is to call attention, and that may be exactly the opposite of what is right to do at the moment.

My heart is in the right place.

[franalexes]

My heart is in the right place.

Yes, it is. :kiss:

[franalexes]

T-girls are not air heads. They tend to have very high IQ's. The average person who goes through with a sex change operation is about three sig above the mean - or about 145 IQ. The average "TV" is about one sig above the mean. This high level of intelligence often equates to
a fun person with a very mischievous mind.

( not me of course. :innocent:):lol:

[smc]

T-girls are not air heads. They tend to have very high IQ's.

This explains so much about my attraction!

[randolph]

T-girls are not air heads. They tend to have very high IQ's. The average person who goes through with a sex change operation is about three sig above the mean - or about 145 IQ. The average "TV" is about one sig above the mean. This high level of intelligence often equates to
a fun person with a very mischievous mind.

( not me of course. :innocent:):lol:

A tgurl that's smart and naughty, perfect! :respect::inlove:

[transjen]

T-girls are not air heads. They tend to have very high IQ's. The average person who goes through with a sex change operation is about three sig above the mean - or about 145 IQ. The average "TV" is about one sig above the mean. This high level of intelligence often equates to
a fun person with a very mischievous mind.

( not me of course. :innocent:):lol: Girls are always smarter then guys :p :lol: Jennifer

[Talvenada]

Girls are always smarter then guys :p :lol: Jennifer

JEN:

Does that mean you got smarter since New Year's Eve?



Piece,


TAL

[pauluspee]

i have an question to all you members, are most t girls bi or gay/ i'd like to know. greetings paulus

[franalexes]

i have an question to all you members, are most t girls bi or gay/ i'd like to know. greetings paulus

:innocent:Dear Lord, here we go again.:(
Now I'll give an answer but please don't take this post off thread.
" Are all guys that ask this question bi or gay?"
" Are all guys that ask this smart or stupid?"
" Are T-gurls bi or gay? There are more classifications of T-gurls than there are grains of sand at the bottom of the sea."

Now please, research your question in another post.
or you could start by actually reading the web site refered to in the very first post#1. please do.:respect:

[Amy]

Oh don't get me started on these bible thumpers and hollier then thous, They can all kiss my :censored: and take there :censored::censored: and jam it, At least i don't stand preaching the bible blasting gays and transgendered as sinful evil people then go out to have sex with under aged boys, Sorry about the rant but this really ticks me off :( Jennifer

Amen, sister.


:P

[Bionca]

i have an question to all you members, are most t girls bi or gay/ i'd like to know. greetings paulus

yes, no, and maybe

Now a question for you. Is a "gay t-girl" attracted to men or women in your question?

[franalexes]

I'm bumping this. I don't know how old it is , but we had a lot of fun back then.:lol:

[smc]

I'm bumping this. I don't know how old it is , but we had a lot of fun back then.:lol:

I miss those "good old days," Fran.

[shadows]

I'm bumping this. I don't know how old it is , but we had a lot of fun back then.:lol:

Thank you for bumping this, Fran.:)

This is my first time reading through this thread, and the post that hit me the most was smc's about the woman in the restaurant. I agree with Fran's assessment of what happened. Smc, I also think that perhaps the woman was perhaps a little flustered/embarrassed at the rude comment that your friend had made(and rude stares/comments earlier in the meal). She may have gotten caught off-guard with that comment, as she was sitting there enjoying herself when the rude comment came.

Lots of respect to you for at least trying to rectify the actions of your friend, and for giving him what-for afterwards. Not everyone would do that, and some people would even join in on the name-calling!:eek: I am glad to see that you are not one of them. You are a good guy.:respect::)

[smc]

Thank you, Shadows.

[shadows]

You are quite welcome.:)

[spacecase9128]

Everything you wanted to know about Bionca, Franalexes or any other T-gurl but were afraid to ask, might be answered here. There is even a test to find out if maybe you are TS yourself. Take the test anyway,( I predict the guys will.) you will probably find out that what you think you know, you don't.
http://transsexual.org/
Remember this site before one of our moderators deletes it. If they do, well, I'll deal with them later.;)

The test has me as androgyne. There is lots of interesting stuff in here; I keep going back and learn more.

Thanks for this thread Fran.

David

[kaytan]

Everything you wanted to know about Bionca, Franalexes or any other T-gurl but were afraid to ask, might be answered here. There is even a test to find out if maybe you are TS yourself. Take the test anyway,( I predict the guys will.) you will probably find out that what you think you know, you don't.
http://transsexual.org/
Remember this site before one of our moderators deletes it. If they do, well, I'll deal with them later.;)
thanks, this is exactly what I was looking 4.
just love to read and study about ts girls. :heart:

[Sissy Maid Lucy]

Just did the test, and my COGIATI classification is ANDROGYNE.

The third dot point was interesting... "if you have not already, consider joining any of the thousands of groups devoted to gender play of various varieties. There is literally a world of friends to discover who share your interests."

Which explains why I'm on this site! So thanks to everyone that contributes :)

[Natalie_J]

I took that test as well, about 18 months ago, and it told me I was Androgyne too. Which basically confirmed what I already knew I suppose.

[Katey lynn]

My COGIATI came back as 185, potential transsexual/transgender. Big surprise! lol I love when a test tells me something I already know.

[JodieTs]

Ok taking the test now...

Your penis and testicles are destroyed, perhaps due to an accident or injury, but they are gone forever. You are otherwise the same as now, but you are utterly without your reproductive organs, just smooth, flat flesh. What is the most realistic statement of how you would deal with this?
I would consider suicide. That would be absolutely horrible.
I am not sure how I would feel. I could cope, given enough time.
It would not bother me. I sometimes think it would be an improvement.
That would be terrible.
I often wish something like that would happen. I seriously do.Well this is a slanted question.
any normal person would find this terrible.
If you are a man its a huge loss
If you are a M2F Ts it's equally a huge deal
no penis / scrotum = no SRS

A doctor offers you a painless, absolutely effective means to be completely masculine. All feminine desires and traits would be eliminated, and you would be happy and content to be a man. You would never need to dress, and you would never want to be feminine in any way again. You are assured that after the treatment you would be completely content. Would you take the treatment?
I probably would.
I don't know. Maybe.
I would run away fast. That would be like death to me.
I would seriously consider the option.
I would not want such a treatment.
The I would seriously consider the option. sounds neat. remove all he head fuck stuff.
A lot easier than the hormone surgery psychs thing to achieve the same result {making you feel "right" about yourself}

[JodieTs]

And he results are in.
Jodie is:
(drum roll)
Your COGIATI result value is: 45 Which means that you fall within the following category:
COGIATI classification THREE, ANDROGYNE
What this means is that the Combined Gender Identity And Transsexuality Inventory has classified your internal gender identity to be essentially androgynous, both male and female at the same time, or possibly neither. In some cultures in history, you would be considered to be a third sex, independent of the polarities of masculine or feminine. Your gender issues are intrinsic to your construction, and you will most likely find your happiness playing with expressing both genders as you feel like it.
SUGGESTIONS FOR ACTION:
Your situation is a little tricky in our current society, but not tremendously so, depending on your geographic location.
The suggestions for your circumstance are not overly complicated.

1.If you have any comfortability about your gender expression, some slight degree of counseling might well prove helpful. The primary goal would be to make it possible for you to enjoy your gender expressions free from any shame or embarrassment, and to resolve any remaining questions you might have.
2. As an androgynous being, both genders, and both sexes are natural to your expression. Permanent polarization in either direction might bring significant unhappiness. It is not recommended that you go through a complete transsexual transformation. You might find a partial transformation of value, if you find yourself more attracted overall to the feminine. You are more likely a transgenderist, than a transsexual. It is recommended that you recognize that your gender issues are real, but that extreme action regarding them should be viewed with great caution.
3. If you have not already, consider joining any of the thousands of groups devoted to gender play of various varieties. There is literally a world of friends to discover who share your interests. There are also publications, vacations, and activities that would expand your gender play. Eeeek! this bit is really creapy! Jodie runs and hides!
Can I get a refund on my surgery fees? :lol: