Would a TS escorting rule out romance?

[TSmelissacarter]

How about it guys,

If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?

[ila]

No it doesn't rule out a relationship. The big question for me would be "if this relationship develops into a commitment to each other would I want her to continue as an escort?" If we were truly commited to each other and we took the relationship all the way to marriage then of course I would not want her to continue working as an escort.

[briwo]

No it doesn't rule out a relationship. The big question for me would be "if this relationship develops into a commitment to each other would I want her to continue as an escort?" If we were truly commited to each other and we took the relationship all the way to marriage then of course I would not want her to continue working as an escort.
I would not be put off by the fact she was a sex worker, but if we fell in love, I would think she wouldn't want to continue if we've made a comittment to each other.

[bigforarse]

No it wouldnt bother me at all. The same rule must be applied to my future (i hope) tgirl lover as I do to my wife, ie if and when my wife gets into sex work it doesnt matter cos we have a full trusting relationship and she would have a job that she really enjoys and makes a lot of money so there is no reason why I would have a diffrent attitude to a tgirl lover of corse not.

[merelypink]

yes yes yes

[hankhavelock]

oh pleeease... wake up, melissa baby... this is a weird question! you don't get it, do you?

[Limegirl]

How about it guys,

If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?


U must be kidding..:confused:

[TSmelissacarter]

oh pleeease... wake up, melissa baby... this is a weird question! you don't get it, do you?

i dont get WHAAAAAAT???
spell it out. Don't even get me started on weird some of the most fucked up questions I've ever seen are on this board.

[TSmelissacarter]

U must be kidding..:confused:


how am I kidding? this is a totaly legitimate question from a TS escort.

[TSmelissacarter]

oh pleeease... wake up, melissa baby... this is a weird question! you don't get it, do you?


How about you wake up. Here are the questions I read on this board:

who would you like to piss on you?
Where do the older ladyboys go?
Are you giving up on real girls forever?
Do you eat your own cum?


Now those are fucked up questions. Makes me wonder how much free time these people have. Get real, get some perspective and learn some respect.

My question was a good one, it's from a bonafide escort and it's based on real-life experiences.

[ila]

My question was a good one, it's from a bonafide escort and it's based on real-life experiences.

I agree with you Melissa. It is a good bonafide question and it deserves respect and honest answers. Some people may not agree with the question or even the OP, but that is no reason to denigrate the OP or the question.

[TSmelissacarter]

I agree with you Melissa. It is a good bonafide question and it deserves respect and honest answers. Some people may not agree with the question or even the OP, but that is no reason to denigrate the OP or the question.

Thank you for the support Ila.

These people talk all day long about TS, about who's cock they wanna suck, which TS should piss on them, who is the hottest TS, and then when they finally get to talk to one they don't know the first thing about basic common decency.

Don't piss off a TS you have no idea what a pissed off TS is like and you don't want to know.

[Bionca]

Melissa.. yeah I think this is a valid question... and a complicated one. I would have so say that if I was the least bit lesbian, I would have no issue dating a current or former sex-worker... after all, a gal's gotta eat.

[Bionca]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Thank you for the support Ila.

These people talk all day long about TS, about who's cock they wanna suck, which TS should piss on them, who is the hottest TS, and then when they finally get to talk to one they don't know the first thing about basic common decency.


For some reason I thought (hoped) it was different for "working girls". Like the guys would be more respectful or something... not sure why.

[TSmelissacarter]

For some reason I thought (hoped) it was different for "working girls". Like the guys would be more respectful or something... not sure why.

Thank you Bionca

We get zero respect most of the time from our clients. You can't imagine the stories I could tell, the crap guys pull. If I want respect I look elsewhere.

In my personal life I am highly respected and without boasting too much, guys hit on me all day long. However, once they know I'm an escort, it changes. All of a sudden I'm a casualty of society's war. All of a sudden I'm damaged goods.

[cham]

Hi Melissa,

It's a valid question. I would leave the decision to the girl and if she wanted to continue working, I'd have no problems with it. So long as there is trust, I don't think the physical body matters much. However, I'd like her to be chosy about her clients, especially since I'd want to spend time with her!

Cham

[plblove]

I don't think it matters if she is an escort when you meet, as long as one is able to accept that when that relationship develops that she would consider not doing it anymore and letting me :) take care of her, but if she would want to continue the work after we were in a relationship I would have to think about staying if she wanted to keep working.

[bigforarse]

Ok none of this maters wheter its tgirl or your wife or gf. None of this bs phycholigal mumbo jumbo means anything.
Any relationship, no matter what, LOVE, TRUST, RESPECT and TOTAL HONESTY.
If u have all those nothing matters at all outside of that, ie if that means having sex as a job, or for pleasure so what?
If anyone knew real love u would understand that no questions or dilemmas need apply!

[TSmelissacarter]

Ok none of this maters wheter its tgirl or your wife or gf. None of this bs phycholigal mumbo jumbo means anything.
Any relationship, no matter what, LOVE, TRUST, RESPECT and TOTAL HONESTY.
If u have all those nothing matters at all outside of that, ie if that means having sex as a job, or for pleasure so what?
If anyone knew real love u would understand that no questions or dilemmas need apply!


Well thats pretty elitist and offers nothing to the conversation. Fact is, being a sex worker does complicate things and that is the purpose of the poll. You guys need to stop swimmimng in fantasyland and think about the reality. You guys speak in idealistic terms and describe a near perfect universe where men respect and treat TS wonderfully but the reality is it's all talk. Ther reality is you are in your cubicle and the boss is not watching so you can mutter a few grand thoughts to the crowd in between projects.

I'm sick of the false reality I smell on this forum and I'm gonna keep it fresh and real. Most of you have not even dated a TS let alone had a relationship with one.

[bigforarse]

Ok some people need to calm down. I may have been misunderstood, but i was not talking about a stand point of tgirls I was talking about human beings. And whether it is a tgirl or a wife, or a husband, gf, bf, etc it really doesnt matter.
Because the bottom line is this, no matter who your other half is, if u have full unconditional trust and love then it doesnt matter a damn what either partner does for a living!
Maybe people should sort out their regular relationships before waxing lytical about grandious social gestures. We are all humans in a hard world, the very few lucky ones who find real love do not ever need to worry about support or love because their other half who ever they maybe will ALWAYS be there.
Life is not a game its real. Best of luck to all!

[TSmelissacarter]

Everything you say is true and goes into the "so what" category.

Because the essence of my quesition is, imagine your true love, the one you hold so much unconditional love for, admiration, attraction and devotion, imagine if that woman was spreading her legs three, four times a day for complete strangers. Imagine if she were driving to hotel rooms at three in the morning, leaving your bed for someone else's. Now imagine that. Don't speak in concepts, which is all I see so far, really imagine it happening. The woman you love, the woman you built a life with. She's sucking off strangers. She may even be liking it.

Now I would like a real reply.

[smolderingtemptress]

As a Tgirl who is actually trying to do something with her life, going to college and avoiding sex work, I'm appalled at the acceptance people have of this profession. Transsexual girls and women are EXTREMELY susceptible to the lure of escorting, hooking, whatever, even more so than genetic women, because other Tgirls who are supposed to be teaching them end up promoting this kind of job instead of pushing them toward a good work ethic.

You can be a tgirl and have a legal career (remember, prostitution is illegal in some areas) and earn your money legitimately. A few other tgirl friends of mine agree that when people begin to accept escorting, it does nothing to get girls out of it.

It's nice that we can look past what people do, but honestly, the chances for STDs are high, the chances of having a dangerous encounter with a client are high, and it's a risky business. It's better to encourage our fellow tgirls to try and make something of themselves instead of falling into the much stereotyped role of "tranny prostitute". It makes those of us who are trying to break through that caricature frustrated!

[bigforarse]

Ok you asked for a real reply and here is my attempt at a real reply because I still think you are missing my point. Is this a crusade as to the hard life a lot of tgirls have or is this a general debate on lovers when one works in the sex industry. Because thats all it is ie an industry, a job, and so what if she likes it, wouldnt any loved one wish for their other half to enjoy their job! Obviously getting up at 3 am is hard work etc, but who hasnt worked a few night shifts or awkward hours.
I really have to say the bottom line yet again, if true love exists between 2 people then no matter what they do or happens doesnt matter because at the end of the day the partners in whatever combination are together as one.
I truly am sorry if the people arguing against me have not experienced this feeling of total and utter trust and love, but it really is there for anyone honest, and the best time to find it is when you are not looking for it.
Sorry to anyone I may offend.

[TSmelissacarter]

As a Tgirl who is actually trying to do something with her life, going to college and avoiding sex work, I'm appalled at the acceptance people have of this profession. Transsexual girls and women are EXTREMELY susceptible to the lure of escorting, hooking, whatever, even more so than genetic women, because other Tgirls who are supposed to be teaching them end up promoting this kind of job instead of pushing them toward a good work ethic.

You can be a tgirl and have a legal career (remember, prostitution is illegal in some areas) and earn your money legitimately. A few other tgirl friends of mine agree that when people begin to accept escorting, it does nothing to get girls out of it.

It's nice that we can look past what people do, but honestly, the chances for STDs are high, the chances of having a dangerous encounter with a client are high, and it's a risky business. It's better to encourage our fellow tgirls to try and make something of themselves instead of falling into the much stereotyped role of "tranny prostitute". It makes those of us who are trying to break through that caricature frustrated!

That's an easy story to tell, especially coming from a faceless nameless person who claims to be TS living the life. Maybe you should read my story, you will see I was in senior real estate management for over 10 years. I did what few TS can do and when I finally made the transition was booted out again and again. Fired five times in six years. It finally dawned on me that being an escort was easier and better. Yes, better. Being an escort is not a bad job. In fact, it's better than any other job I've had and I've had good jobs. My story is an excellent benchmark for measurinhg the level of tolerance society has for TS.

STD's, drugs, those are easy ways to dismiss the industry. Fact is we provide a service. There are frustrated married guys all over the world dying for a half hour with a TS alone on a couch. So an attractive TS sees that opportunity and then sees the other side of the fence- a world where virtually no TS has ever held a high level position of authority. We dont get those jobs. That's why it is an easy lure if you're TS to becoming an escort. That's the only thing you've said I agree with.

[TSmelissacarter]

Ok you asked for a real reply and here is my attempt at a real reply because I still think you are missing my point. Is this a crusade as to the hard life a lot of tgirls have or is this a general debate on lovers when one works in the sex industry. Because thats all it is ie an industry, a job, and so what if she likes it, wouldnt any loved one wish for their other half to enjoy their job! Obviously getting up at 3 am is hard work etc, but who hasnt worked a few night shifts or awkward hours.
I really have to say the bottom line yet again, if true love exists between 2 people then no matter what they do or happens doesnt matter because at the end of the day the partners in whatever combination are together as one.
I truly am sorry if the people arguing against me have not experienced this feeling of total and utter trust and love, but it really is there for anyone honest, and the best time to find it is when you are not looking for it.
Sorry to anyone I may offend.


I think that was a more honest answer and thank you. My point was, because it sounds like you're not sure what I objected to, it's easy to say in idealistic terms "love conquers all". But in realisitic terms a man may not be so open-minded if he lives with and loves an escort. In theory, though I agree with you that love, respect, honesty and trust is the foiundation for any relationship.

[smolderingtemptress]

That's an easy story to tell, especially coming from a faceless nameless person who claims to be TS living the life. Maybe you should read my story, you will see I was in senior real estate management for over 10 years. I did what few TS can do and when I finally made the transition was booted out again and again. Fired five times in six years. It finally dawned on me that being an escort was easier and better. Yes, better. Being an escort is not a bad job. In fact, it's better than any other job I've had and I've had good jobs. My story is an excellent benchmark for measurinhg the level of tolerance society has for TS.

STD's, drugs, those are easy ways to dismiss the industry. Fact is we provide a service. There are frustrated married guys all over the world dying for a half hour with a TS alone on a couch. So an attractive TS sees that opportunity and then sees the other side of the fence- a world where virtually no TS has ever held a high level position of authority. We dont get those jobs. That's why it is an easy lure if you're TS to becoming an escort. That's the only thing you've said I agree with.

Umm. You don't have to believe that I'm actually a TS who isn't a prostitute, but I am, and it saddens me that you are so blinded by your own delusions that you cannot see that there are actually quite a few successful Transsexual women working as doctors, lawyers, even my friend works for PR and has had plenty of success.

You're not measuring the tolerance for TS, you're measuring the acceptance of prostitution. You're doing our community a disservice by promoting escorting, because as you said before, men want to be alone with us for a half hour or so, but where is our actual worth in society? In a bed with dollar bills being flung at is? Do you measure yours in clientele? I measure mine in knowing I'm getting an education and maintaining some dignity, as well as breaking the barriers society as created for us.

PS: The old "Pretty Woman Prostitute with a Heart of Gold" fairy tale is nice in theory, but doesn't work out in reality.

[TSmelissacarter]

Umm. You don't have to believe that I'm actually a TS who isn't a prostitute, but I am, and it saddens me that you are so blinded by your own delusions that you cannot see that there are actually quite a few successful Transsexual women working as doctors, lawyers, even my friend works for PR and has had plenty of success.

You're not measuring the tolerance for TS, you're measuring the acceptance of prostitution. You're doing our community a disservice by promoting escorting, because as you said before, men want to be alone with us for a half hour or so, but where is our actual worth in society? In a bed with dollar bills being flung at is? Do you measure yours in clientele? I measure mine in knowing I'm getting an education and maintaining some dignity, as well as breaking the barriers society as created for us.

Don't trip on the soapbox.

Your so high and mighty ideals aren't quite so high and your lowly view of prostitution isn't as low as you say. You are making the most obvious, most easy to refute argument one can make regarding prostitution. Find some depth to your thought process and then I can engage you seriously.

Good luck with your high ideals, they don't go along very well with your nameless faceless profile. Easy to shout it out from behind your computer.

[CreativeMind]

I think that was a more honest answer and thank you. My point was, because it sounds like you're not sure what I objected to, it's easy to say in idealistic terms "love conquers all". But in realisitic terms a man may not be so open-minded if he lives with and loves an escort. In theory, though I agree with you that love, respect, honesty and trust is the foiundation for any relationship.

Well, I think this is the heart of the whole debate. Right here, in this one reply from you, Melissa. There's obviously a very definite line separating something as being "idealistic" and it being "realistic" -- simply because it draws a line in the sand on where each of us stands personally with regards to a matter of the heart.

I believe love can conquer all. That's not necessarily a catch phrase, at least not to me. I've seen it in action, and I've seen many a couple beat the odds against them. But we also have to stop and think about something here. The whole POINT of the saying "Love conquers all" is that implies that two people will love each other SO much that they will overcome all obstacles for the betterment of BOTH. So that BOTH will now have better lives. In short, at its core, the saying implies that there is also an end result that is to be attained. And that's where your original question doesn't have a right or wrong answer -- all anyone can really toss back is an answer that works for them personally.

Look, I dated an escort once. Met her in a funny way (non-sexual and in public)...we hit it off...exchanged phone numbers...started calling and talking for hours, became instant friends and even closer....dated...and then she dropped the bomb about "what" she really did for a living on the side. I thought she had a normal day job (which she did), but she then supplemented her income with some high paying escort work.

And I really cared about her and she really seemed to care about me. It wasn't a question of did we like each other -- we did. But I think the most common thinking on this matter is that IF you fall for someone who works such a job..that is, works in the sex industry (be it an escort, porn star, cam girl, etc)...it's just inevitable that the couple is going to reach a point where you just HAVE to look each other in the eye and ask what ultimately becomes the MOST honest and soul-baring questions of all...

WHAT is most important: the money or the relationship?
WHO is more important in your life: your lover or your clients?
WHICH means more to you: spending time with your lover (where you are building a true partnership of being equals) or being with your clients (where things could now be tilted and imbalanced, and you might feel a certain level of power and control over them?)

This started with you asking a basic question: Could you date someone (in this case a TS)
who turned out to be an escort? Who engaged in that line of work to get by?

Well, in my opinion, I think the answer that most guys will give is what I call the PRETTY WOMAN response (based on the hit Richard Gere/Julia Roberts movie). Sure, most guys would love to meet a sexy woman/TS...most guys would love the thrill of an instant attraction...to fall in love and find a soul mate who is both fun, lively, and has a distinct sexual energy. We all dream about finding someone like that.

The only problem is THEN they pretty much want the same ending as in the movie. In other words, you want the compromise ending where Richard Gere accepts her for who she is...he's willing to look beyond her line of work...but at the same time, Julia Roberts realizes that to have a true, loving, one-on-one relationship she has to give up her life as a street walker. That THAT lifestyle is just not going to work if she's going to win Richard Gere's heart and BE the kind of lover that he needs. To fulfill his views on love and a committed elationship.

So, it's like I said -- the question is fair, but it just comes down to what the two people can live with as a couple. "Love conquers all" is a valid statement, but as I said before the whole POINT of the statement is that you BOTH get to a place that you BOTH want to be. And if you BOTH aren't there, then it's a crippled relationship. It's always going to be lopsided and tilted and off kilter because one partner is always going to feel that they had to give in on something very important to them.

In fact, here's something else to consider: you changed the question mid-stream. Your original question was "Could you date an escort", but like I said many people might give the PRETTY WOMAN answer and say "Sure, so long as in the end she leaves that life behind once I agree to love her and take care of her. That we'll work towards a better life TOGETHER...even if we have to struggle a bit...but the important thing is that we ARE together."

But then you changed the question and the internal dynamics. Suddenly you said: "Don't speak in concepts, which is all I see so far, really imagine it happening. The woman you love, the woman you built a life with. She's sucking off strangers. She may even be liking it."

Well, THAT'S a whole other story now, isn't it? Suddenly it's gone from two people being in love...trying to build something together...but you've just changed the ground rules. Suddenly NOW it's about one partner wanting SUCH an active sex life that she wants ADDITIONAL partners -- she wants to suck off complete strangers (as you put it) and even gets off on it. THAT certainly alters things, don't you think? After all, how am I supposed to believe that someone really loves me...wants to build a life with me...when in truth they want to turn around and say "Oh, and by the way, I want to be with these other guys TOO."

And going back to myself, that was what broke up me and my ex. In the end, she couldn't walk away from the life because she liked the feeling of power it gave her...she was intoxicated by the money she could make...she wanted the sexual liberty to sleep with other guys. And at that point, as I said, it's no longer a question of "Would you date an escort?" versus "Why should I be dating someone who isn't giving me what I really need to have a fulfilling relationship?" At that point it just comes down to each person and what they personally need to find a good fit...to feel that the relationship they're in is actually strong or that it's going somewhere.

So, I'll say it again: I think the general answer you'll get from most guys is the PRETTY WOMAN response. Sure, it's an enticing and sexually exciting and blood rushing way to perhaps START a relationship, but I think most people would want it to transition into something more stable and traditional -- that is IF you're trying to become an actual couple with long term plans to be together AS a couple.

[ila]

This started with you asking a basic question: Could you date someone (in this case a TS)
who turned out to be an escort?


In fact, here's something else to consider: you changed the question mid-stream. Your original question was "Could you date an escort",

Maybe you should look at the question again. This is what it very clearly states

If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?

A relationship means more than just dating. A relationship is a commitment of at least two people to one another.

But then you changed the question and the internal dynamics. Suddenly you said: "Don't speak in concepts, which is all I see so far, really imagine it happening. The woman you love, the woman you built a life with. She's sucking off strangers. She may even be liking it."


The question wasn't changed. Melissa just explained further what an escort does.

[Bionca]

Man I hate when T-gals snipe other gals for being escorts. I attribute my own mainstream employment as much to luck as some pretty messed up body-image issues.

Yes, there are t-gals who are business owners, professors, doctors, lawyers, models, singers, actresses, writers, truck drivers, construction workers, any profession you can name. But.. lets be clear about some reality.

Many "succesful" Trans* were successful BEFORE their transition and were lucky enough to remail within their company. Many successful Trans* are deeply in denial about being trans* to keep their employment. Merely gaining employment is an ordeal for lots and lots of us.

That said, I HATE painting sex work as a last resort - like sex workers need pity and sympathy for the cruel world. I OWN my body, the fact I have tits and and took the risk to surgically alter my face attests to that. If I CHOOSE to pay my rent by having sex with someone it's my body and I have full agency as an adult.

Tranny sex-workers don't do shit for or against social acceptance. It's the same tires arguement used by the gays "why are the leather guys and drag queen shown on TV when there are so many normal homos". Rest the blame where it belongs - society, particularly men, who can only relate to trans*women as objects and not as people.

As far as being in a relationship with an escort, as long as she is OK with you having to go on business trips, stay late at the office, have a long commute, or what ever could be related to the arguement that she isn't spending time with her fella. Being a professional escort does not preclude one for looking for a relationship built on something other than hourly rates.

[Talvenada]

How about it guys,

If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?

MEL,

Girlfriend, you really know how to push buttons. Nothing wrong with your question, but sex sells is the saying. On this forum that seems to command the lion's share of attention to the exclusion of the biggest sex organ: the brain.

First, a man that falls in love with you will know what's between your legs, and liked it, enjoyed it.

Second, he'll be very sexually oriented: think cannot get enough.

That leaves 3 ways to go.

1. No way.
2. Yes, with the escort business being over.
3. Anything goes. Open relationship for both partners.

If you want to continue, you give up 1 of 2 possibilities.

A question for you. He is okay with your job, but he doesn't want to limit having sex with only you. He says it doesn't mean anything, just like your job. Are you okay with him having an unlimited numbers of sex partners, as long as you're special?

Good hunting,

TAL

[twistedone]

I had to join the "Depends" crowd. Anything is possible. I try not to look at things in black and white so to speak. I fail at it regularly though. LOL

One side of me says, If we developed strong feelings for each other. I actually would prefer if she left the industry behind.

The other side of me, the kinky and submissive side. Says this could lead to a hell of a lot of fun for the both of us. Of course mutual consent between her and I would be a rule of thumb.

Sooooo......It depends.

[smolderingtemptress]

Man I hate when T-gals snipe other gals for being escorts. I attribute my own mainstream employment as much to luck as some pretty messed up body-image issues.

Yes, there are t-gals who are business owners, professors, doctors, lawyers, models, singers, actresses, writers, truck drivers, construction workers, any profession you can name. But.. lets be clear about some reality.

Many "succesful" Trans* were successful BEFORE their transition and were lucky enough to remail within their company. Many successful Trans* are deeply in denial about being trans* to keep their employment. Merely gaining employment is an ordeal for lots and lots of us.

That said, I HATE painting sex work as a last resort - like sex workers need pity and sympathy for the cruel world. I OWN my body, the fact I have tits and and took the risk to surgically alter my face attests to that. If I CHOOSE to pay my rent by having sex with someone it's my body and I have full agency as an adult.

Tranny sex-workers don't do shit for or against social acceptance. It's the same tires arguement used by the gays "why are the leather guys and drag queen shown on TV when there are so many normal homos". Rest the blame where it belongs - society, particularly men, who can only relate to trans*women as objects and not as people.

As far as being in a relationship with an escort, as long as she is OK with you having to go on business trips, stay late at the office, have a long commute, or what ever could be related to the arguement that she isn't spending time with her fella. Being a professional escort does not preclude one for looking for a relationship built on something other than hourly rates.

Why do you think we're looked at as sex objects? The blame goes both ways, both for men and the escorting tgirls, so don't try to pass it off when you're the one selling yourself in the first place. How can you possibly think men could consider you as a person when you're giving them a price for sex? Come on. You want your cake and eat it, too, so if you're genuinely confused as to why men aren't really interested in getting serious with you when they find out you lie on your back grabbing cash from a nightstand for a living, you have a lot more issues to go along with your body-image ones.

Having sex with other men while in a supposed "loving" relationship isn't really giving the relationship all you could give it. To think that escorting should be looked upon with less consideration as a freckle is preposterous, and any decent man worth a damn wants a woman who not only loves him but herself as well, and she can't provide either to the full extent if she's hooking.

Just because we're all part of the transsexual community does not mean we have to embrace each other for going down paths that are self-destructive. If you're not wanting pity, why have you posted about the woes of finding a real relationship? ...It's not just coincidence.

[Bionca]

Why do you think we're looked at as sex objects? The blame goes both ways, both for men and the escorting tgirls, so don't try to pass it off when you're the one selling yourself in the first place. How can you possibly think men could consider you as a person when you're giving them a price for sex? Come on. You want your cake and eat it, too, so if you're genuinely confused as to why men aren't really interested in getting serious with you when they find out you lie on your back grabbing cash from a nightstand for a living, you have a lot more issues to go along with your body-image ones.

Having sex with other men while in a supposed "loving" relationship isn't really giving the relationship all you could give it. To think that escorting should be looked upon with less consideration as a freckle is preposterous, and any decent man worth a damn wants a woman who not only loves him but herself as well, and she can't provide either to the full extent if she's hooking.

Just because we're all part of the transsexual community does not mean we have to embrace each other for going down paths that are self-destructive. If you're not wanting pity, why have you posted about the woes of finding a real relationship? ...It's not just coincidence.

How about you take about five steps back lady. Firstly, I'm not an escort. Seconly, I refuse to make an escort a handy "out" for a lack of social understanding. It's so convenient to lay that at an already marginalized group (sex workers, women of color, poor women) rather than take it where it needs to go.

Why can't a woman lover herself and escort? Why must a woman escort out of a lack of self-respect? Why should escorting preclude a relationship? Your statements are colored by quite a few assumptions. I have found that talking with people before you talk about them can be quite helpful.

The only differance between trans* sex-work and cis sex-work is the sex workers are all people see for trans*women. That isn't the fault of the trans*women.

[smolderingtemptress]

The only differance between trans* sex-work and cis sex-work is the sex workers are all people see for trans*women. That isn't the fault of the trans*women.

Uhh... yeah it is.

(The ones who escort, for clarification.)

[TSmelissacarter]

Man I hate when T-gals snipe other gals for being escorts. I attribute my own mainstream employment as much to luck as some pretty messed up body-image issues.

Yes, there are t-gals who are business owners, professors, doctors, lawyers, models, singers, actresses, writers, truck drivers, construction workers, any profession you can name. But.. lets be clear about some reality.

Many "succesful" Trans* were successful BEFORE their transition and were lucky enough to remail within their company. Many successful Trans* are deeply in denial about being trans* to keep their employment. Merely gaining employment is an ordeal for lots and lots of us.

That said, I HATE painting sex work as a last resort - like sex workers need pity and sympathy for the cruel world. I OWN my body, the fact I have tits and and took the risk to surgically alter my face attests to that. If I CHOOSE to pay my rent by having sex with someone it's my body and I have full agency as an adult.

Tranny sex-workers don't do shit for or against social acceptance. It's the same tires arguement used by the gays "why are the leather guys and drag queen shown on TV when there are so many normal homos". Rest the blame where it belongs - society, particularly men, who can only relate to trans*women as objects and not as people.

As far as being in a relationship with an escort, as long as she is OK with you having to go on business trips, stay late at the office, have a long commute, or what ever could be related to the arguement that she isn't spending time with her fella. Being a professional escort does not preclude one for looking for a relationship built on something other than hourly rates.

Bravo Bionca you hit the nail on the head. Its presumptuous and insulting to hear this tired rhetoric and don't forget its coming from a nameless faceless person. For all we know its just another guy with too much free time.
Thanks bionca

[TSmelissacarter]

Uhh... yeah it is.

(The ones who escort, for clarification.)

More cutting edge truth from the man behind the computer lol.


Don't you have a sermon to give?

[TSmelissacarter]

How about you take about five steps back lady. Firstly, I'm not an escort. Seconly, I refuse to make an escort a handy "out" for a lack of social understanding. It's so convenient to lay that at an already marginalized group (sex workers, women of color, poor women) rather than take it where it needs to go.

Why can't a woman lover herself and escort? Why must a woman escort out of a lack of self-respect? Why should escorting preclude a relationship? Your statements are colored by quite a few assumptions. I have found that talking with people before you talk about them can be quite helpful.

The only differance between trans* sex-work and cis sex-work is the sex workers are all people see for trans*women. That isn't the fault of the trans*women.

God bionca that is so damn good its worth re stating. Why can't a woman love herself and be an escort?

This great moralist presumes that there is something wrong with escorting when it is simply just another vocation and a well paying one at that. If he would read my story as I suggested although clearly he did not he would see that

A. I was a management professional a position few TS are able to achieve and

B. I have up on the corporate world and voluntarily chose escorting as a more viable and lucrative option.

[smolderingtemptress]

Lol. You two might want to take a few steps back yourselves and look at what you're actually saying. The absurdity behind your self-justification is astounding. You even chose to escort. Why you still ponder about your love lives is beyond me. The answer should be glaringly obvious.

[DL_NL]

For me, the fact that a TS escort is pretty likely to encounter violence -a lot more so than if she's not escorting- is a point worth considering. I wouldn't want my GF to end up in hospital.

[TSmelissacarter]

Lol. You two might want to take a few steps back yourselves and look at what you're actually saying. The absurdity behind your self-justification is astounding. You even chose to escort. Why you still ponder about your love lives is beyond me. The answer should be glaringly obvious.
Who said my love life was in question? That's yet another presumption on your part and shows how little you know about me or the subject. You yap without facts that should be your name in native American he who yaps without facts.

You might want to get a profile and stop yapping from behind your anonymous wall.

[TSmelissacarter]

Lol. You two might want to take a few steps back yourselves and look at what you're actually saying. The absurdity behind your self-justification is astounding. You even chose to escort. Why you still ponder about your love lives is beyond me. The answer should be glaringly obvious.

The only thing glaringly obvious is what an ass you're making of yourself.

Your paranoia has you thinking that Bionca and I are ganging up on you. Bionca and I barely know each other. Yet we instantly recognize when a comment is out of line and therein lies our unity.

You are gonna have to step off and sit down on this one, it's my thread, it's my profession, I chose it, I live it and I'll bury anyone who tries to stop or dis me. You have no idea what's behind these words. I'm smarter than you, more educated, more succesful, more artistic, more talented, better looking, younger I'm sure and have been through Hell without any permanent bruises. You are a small ghost whispering on the internet.

Now go steal a picture off the web and pretend it's you. On your way to precious 9 to 5 job, mister, lol.

[Bionca]

Uhh... yeah it is.

(The ones who escort, for clarification.)

You could probably stand to read some basic 3rd wave feminism. Julia Serano and Camille Paglia come to mind.

[Bionca]

Lol. You two might want to take a few steps back yourselves and look at what you're actually saying. The absurdity behind your self-justification is astounding. You even chose to escort. Why you still ponder about your love lives is beyond me. The answer should be glaringly obvious.

I stepped back and looked at escorting years ago - by talking to women who did it. What justification is needed, and what justification are you seeing? Melissa *ghasp* CHOSE to escort - my goodness - and she even admits it. I know, she should have the common decency to hide from public view. Nothing worse than having to see someone *like that* in the day light /scarcasm off

So tell me about my love life? What do you think is so obvious?

[Bionca]

For me, the fact that a TS escort is pretty likely to encounter violence -a lot more so than if she's not escorting- is a point worth considering. I wouldn't want my GF to end up in hospital.

Safety is an issue for all transwomen. Escorts are more vulnerable, but I wouldn't say "a lot" more.

[ladyboyadmirer]

How about it guys,

If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?

Absolutely no problem Malissa. Your poll shows the majority understand your situation. I would even like to fly over there to meet you....and Im not joking. rgds lba

[smolderingtemptress]

If you get infected with an STD, would you stop hooking, or would you choose to continue despite the risk of spreading what you got? If you got infected by a client, would you tell them? What about the person you're in a relationship with? What would happen to your "business"?

[TSmelissacarter]

If you get infected with an STD, would you stop hooking, or would you choose to continue despite the risk of spreading what you got? If you got infected by a client, would you tell them? What about the person you're in a relationship with? What would happen to your "business"?

If you were losing an argument, and saw that your position was crumbling beneath your feet, would you fight dirty? Don't try to divert the spotlight squarely fixed on you and your remarks, which supposedly come from a member of the TS community.

Your questions are aimed at a person's character, not one's vocation. The question itself is laden with insult and I have no obligation to be put in such a defensive posture. Not to you. Your questions say more about you and your convoluted cartoon-like impression of escorts in today's modern world.

Fact is, I provide a service. I know that blows your theory but that escorts are lowly bottom-feeders. Fact is, I defy the norm having been a succesful corporate professional turning my back on it for a different life. A life that affords me more free time, more money, more autonomy. What dignity is there in the corporate world anyway? Isn't it a dog-eat-dog world? Aren't people expendable and isn't the idea of job security a joke? What are the great benefits to being a player in the 9 to 5? And do people really hold their head high in bumper-to-bumper traffic after a miserable day's work and say, "I will be remembered for this." LOL, it is a fucking hamster wheel and the corporate world is the hamster cage. Try to draw outside the lines for once and go now, hurry up, you'll be late for church.

[smolderingtemptress]

The irony is you find this job so empowering to yourself when really you're playing into the hands of your circumstances. You think you've gotten this amazing freedom but you're actually right where people have expected you to be, as far as being transsexual. You're being just as insulting, as if morality is old news, and I suppose a good work ethic has gone away with that as well. You took the easy way out and you're surprised when someone disagrees with it. Not all of us are going to be pinned down like that, as much you think we should "work with what we got" as it's said, because sex and fantasy fulfillment are not the only things we're capable of. Don't you see? Any man with a 9-5 may be handing you their paychecks, but at the end of the day you're just the prostitute he went to on the side, more than likely not wanting anyone to know about you. Empowering to know you're reduced to a bottom shelf paper bag? You are a bottom feeder, you had a legitimate career but you were too lazy to hold anymore ambition.

Oh, and I don't even go to church.

[ila]

The irony is you find this job so empowering to yourself when really you're playing into the hands of your circumstances. You think you've gotten this amazing freedom but you're actually right where people have expected you to be, as far as being transsexual.


I wonder, smolderingtemptress, why you think that society expects transwomen can only be escorts. I expect a transwoman will be what she wants to be and go as far as her capabilities will take her. Most other people are the same in that they will be what they want to be and go as far as their capabilities will take them.

Melissa has said that she is an escort and she likes it. That is her decision and I'm sure no one told that is all she is capable and expected of doing. I'm not sure why you feel that you are being negatively impacted because of what Melissa has chosen to do. My only advice to anyone would be to get on with your own life and worry less about what others have chosen to do with their's. The career choices of others in no way impact nor reflect on you.

[TSmelissacarter]

The irony is you find this job so empowering to yourself when really you're playing into the hands of your circumstances. You think you've gotten this amazing freedom but you're actually right where people have expected you to be, as far as being transsexual. You're being just as insulting, as if morality is old news, and I suppose a good work ethic has gone away with that as well. You took the easy way out and you're surprised when someone disagrees with it. Not all of us are going to be pinned down like that, as much you think we should "work with what we got" as it's said, because sex and fantasy fulfillment are not the only things we're capable of. Don't you see? Any man with a 9-5 may be handing you their paychecks, but at the end of the day you're just the prostitute he went to on the side, more than likely not wanting anyone to know about you. Empowering to know you're reduced to a bottom shelf paper bag? You are a bottom feeder, you had a legitimate career but you were too lazy to hold anymore ambition.

Oh, and I don't even go to church.

I am first and foremost an artist & writer. My vocation, and I guess I need to repeat that word seeing as you don't understand (my job, how I pay the bills, my money-making apparatus), is not my career.

I'm playing into nobody's hands. Yea, I am the chick with a dick Mr. Businessman comes to see secretly. And yea, that's how I make my money and here's the point Mr. thick-as-a-brick-can't-see-my-third grade level-point: it doesn't matter how you make money. It doesn't matter if it's legal or illegal, highbrow or lowly, it only matters that you make it.

It's what you do after you make the money that matters. For me, painting, writing, selling my art, running, cooking, being in love...these are the things I fill my days with. This is what matters to me. But you don't know that because you never took the time to read my story or visit my website. You thought you could trash me on a discussion board because I had the gumption to announce my vocation as escort. And show not only my face, but my name, my hometown and my personality. There's nothing anonymous about me. Unlike you. Do you know how worthless your words appear coming from a blank facelss profile?

I play into nobody's hands, they play into mine. I know thats hard for you to accept because it blows a gasket in your life-comprehending device and then you would have to admit your views of society are mis-aligned. This is anything but the easy way out. What's the "hard way"? You have yet to cite one intrinsically valuable thing about doing the 9 to 5. There is nothing more dignified about sucking up to a boss and being a wage slave than spreading your legs for a half hour with a stranger.

Morality as history shows us, is constantly redefined but you can't see that because you get your values from an old issue of Reader's Digest. You should go to church, you fit right in with those zombies.

[smolderingtemptress]

I'm playing into nobody's hands.
I play into nobody's hands, they play into mine.

How many times have you repeated that to yourself before you started to believe it? What feelings did you have to kill before you became comfortable making a living sucking off strangers?

The career choices of others in no way impact nor reflect on you.
The problem is, ila, that ts escorts DO reflect upon the rest of us. We're already a marginalized and misunderstood minority, and if this forum is any indication, seen largely as a sexual fetish. Prostitution is a plague in our community, because all too often young tgirls just starting out have no one to look to for advice besides these women, like Melissa, who take it upon themselves to paint a glamorized portrayal of escorting without even taking into account all the risks involved. Sure, it pays the bills, but at what price?

[TSmelissacarter]

How many times have you repeated that to yourself before you started to believe it? What feelings did you have to kill before you became comfortable making a living sucking off strangers?


The problem is, ila, that ts escorts DO reflect upon the rest of us. We're already a marginalized and misunderstood minority, and if this forum is any indication, seen largely as a sexual fetish. Prostitution is a plague in our community, because all too often young tgirls just starting out have no one to look to for advice besides these women, like Melissa, who take it upon themselves to paint a glamorized portrayal of escorting without even taking into account all the risks involved. Sure, it pays the bills, but at what price?

Oh ok so your also a psychologist, lol. I cannot believe, and I don't think I'm alone here, that you could view prostitution as a plague. You ought to be living in the crusades or the Salem witch trials, you are compassionless besides being faceless.

And what is your hang up with this role-model nonsense, why would I give a rat's ass about young tgirls and advice I should be giving them? LOL now you are showing how out of touch you really are. Do you think anyone gave me advice? Do you think there is even a template for this journey??

You are in the wrong league, Mister, you're showing up at a gun fight with a knife. You've shown these readers nothing but an empty opinion to go along with your empty profile. At least I explained my position and illustrated my opinions with real-life ideas. You saw this thread as an opportunity to call me a whore but I stood up and refused to be abused. You espouse your archaic ideaology like "prostitution is a plague", lol what a sack of shit. You back it up with nothing.

I own your ass on this thread. Game over Melissa 1, this anonymous-piece-of-shit-called-smothering-whatever ZERO.

[smolderingtemptress]

Why would anyone want to see girls turn into prostitutes? Honestly.

[CreativeMind]

I wonder, smolderingtemptress, why you think that society expects transwomen can only be escorts.... Melissa has said that she is an escort and she likes it. That is her decision and I'm sure no one told that is all she is capable and expected of doing. I'm not sure why you feel that you are being negatively impacted because of what Melissa has chosen to do. My only advice to anyone would be to get on with your own life and worry less about what others have chosen to do with their's. The career choices of others in no way impact nor reflect on you.


Well, just for the record that's not entirely true. The original question asked by Melissa was (quote): "If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?"

So, just as a philosophical aside, there is this to consider: Yes, it's true that Melissa's day-to-day activities as an escort may not have an effect on our own day-to-day lives since they don't actually intersect. However, by asking us to give our opinions on this topic, it does "reflect on us" because now everyone is sharing their personal feelings or their own deeply held convictions on things -- such as how they feel about escorting or sex work overall, not to mention revealing how they'd react emotionally if confronted by this situation. After all, that was the whole point of the question to begin with.

So, yes, all of our answers here do reflect on us since we're each stating what we believe in.
And that's about as much of a reflection as you can get.

[ila]

Well, just for the record that's not entirely true. The original question asked by Melissa was (quote): "If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?"

So, just as a philosophical aside, there is this to consider: Yes, it's true that Melissa's day-to-day activities as an escort may not have an effect on our own day-to-day lives since they don't actually intersect. However, by asking us to give our opinions on this topic, it does "reflect on us" because now everyone is sharing their personal feelings or their own deeply held convictions on things -- such as how they feel about escorting or sex work overall, not to mention revealing how they'd react emotionally if confronted by this situation. After all, that was the whole point of the question to begin with.

So, yes, all of our answers here do reflect on us since we're each stating what we believe in.
And that's about as much of a reflection as you can get.

You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you. Nor does her choice of what she does reflect on who you are, what you are, or what you do. No one forms an opinion of you based on what Melissa does.

[smolderingtemptress]

You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you. Nor does her choice of what she does reflect on who you are, what you are, or what you do. No one forms an opinion of you based on what Melissa does.
She formed an opinion of me based on my disagreement with her choice of profession.

[CreativeMind]

Yea, I am the chick with a dick Mr. Businessman comes to see secretly. And yea, that's how I make my money and here's the point Mr. thick-as-a-brick-can't-see-my-third grade level-point: it doesn't matter how you make money. It doesn't matter if it's legal or illegal, highbrow or lowly, it only matters that you make it.

It's what you do after you make the money that matters.

Well, while I wish you well in life on a humanistic level and you have the right to make your own choices, Melissa, I wouldn't go THAT far. Personally, I think it does matter if money is earned "legal or illegal." And I certainly don't believe that anyone should be allowed to hide behind the all-encompassing blanket excuse of "It only matters that you make it. It's what you do after you make the money that matters." I mean, that's certainly an incredibly slippery slope of conditional morality -- perpetually convenient only to the person and not showing any responsibility to anyone else or to society as a whole.

For example, I'll use an example that I used before: what about a guy who peddles drugs to young kids at a local school yard? Apply your own equation to that. That guy is making his money by doing something illegal. And in terms of the cash he's pocketing, he's living by your other rule that it only matters that you make it. So completely following through with what you said -- "It's what you do after you make the money that matters" -- are you actually telling us that if he now uses that money to take his elderly mom out for dinner on Mother's Day that THAT made peddling drugs to little kids okay? That because he did something nice for his mom after the drug sale, THAT justified his actions?

Now, on the other hand, maybe what you were simply trying to say is that there are some things that you believe SHOULDN'T be illegal -- such as escorting. Maybe it's your personal belief that more communities should legalize sex work, that it shouldn't be an illegal trade. That would be a different argument and one I could accept more willingly or intellectually than a blanket statement that it doesn't matter AT ALL how someone makes their money, just that they make it. In other words, that the ends ALWAYS justify the means. I think most people would find that viewpoint to be rather extreme or going a bit too far.

Morality, as history shows us, is constantly redefined but you can't see that because you get your values from an old issue of Reader's Digest. You should go to church, you fit right in with those zombies.

Well, that's a whole other argument. History has shown us that people might be more forgiving of things, but overall it's far more interesting to note that historically morality hasn't changed much at all. I mean, personality traits such as being lazy or lecherous or a drunk were looked down on in ages past, and they still are now. And certainly more serious things such as thievery and murder were not tolerated then, nor are they now.

So, I would argue that morality hasn't changed, but rather how we deal with any perceived transgressors. In times of old, you might have stoned to death or hung a murderer versus today that person might still be put to death (depending on how heinous the crime was), only today you might also have anti-capital punishment people arguing to simply lock the person away for the rest of their lives.

As for people who believe in God or hold certain higher beliefs, I wouldn't necessarily label them "zombies." Much like you've made certain choices in life and would like people to respect you for them...or at least allow you to practice them...why shouldn't they be allowed to do the same? Or be allowed to believe in certain things without your open mocking? Otherwise you're now showing how intolerant you can be as well, at which point the wheel just spins around and intolerance continues to be the norm. And then no one is served since the cycle just keeps going on and on...

[ila]

She formed an opinion of me based on my disagreement with her choice of profession.

I didn't form an opinion of you based on what Melissa said. I am capable of forming my own opinions and I don't listen to others when I do so.

My statement may not have been quite clear. What I mean is that no one is going to form an opinion of you or anyone else just because Melissa is an escort.

[CreativeMind]

And what is your hang up with this role-model nonsense, why would I give a rat's ass about young tgirls and advice I should be giving them? LOL now you are showing how out of touch you really are. Do you think anyone gave me advice? Do you think there is even a template for this journey??

You are in the wrong league, Mister, you're showing up at a gun fight with a knife. You've shown these readers nothing but an empty opinion to go along with your empty profile. At least I explained my position and illustrated my opinions with real-life ideas. You saw this thread as an opportunity to call me a whore but I stood up and refused to be abused. You espouse your archaic ideaology like "prostitution is a plague", lol what a sack of shit. You back it up with nothing.

I own your ass on this thread. Game over Melissa 1, this anonymous-piece-of-shit-called-smothering-whatever ZERO.

Wait a minute -- now I'm confused. It was one thing to be debating the notion of escort work and could you (or couldn't you) have a relationship with a so-called "working professional girl." That's one thing. But, Melissa, why wouldn't you give a rat's ass about other people? Certainly about any fellow T-girls or as Bionca called them in a previous post "all your fellow sisters"?

You seem a bit angry in so forcefully declaring "Why would I give a rat's ass about young T-girls and advice I should be giving them? Do you think anyone gave me advice?" Well, perhaps that's true. Perhaps no one did give you any advice. Perhaps you had to make this journey on your own and you had many obstacles to overcome. But having done it and having reached this point in life -- where you say you're happy with who you are, and that you enjoy the money you're making as an escort or doing your art and all that -- it seems to me that now you're being a bit harsh.

Sorry, but here's my two cents worth.
In the end, the world breaks down into two types of people...

TYPE 1: Those who had a rough time in life, trying to climb certain ladders or open certain doors, and who were left a bit angry about the way the world treated them -- and thus they feel the next person coming up the ladder or trying to open a door, trying to make it in the world, should have to go through the same bullshit and pain. In short: "Hey, if I had to put up with the bullshit, so do you!!!"

VERSUS

TYPE 2: Those who had a rough time in life or met certain obstacles, and who now want TO HELP the next person in line. Who want to TURN their life experiences into a learning tool to help and spare the next person all of that same pain. In short: a person who wants to use their life to make things better and easier for the next person in line.

Melissa, in your own words, you may feel that you "own this thread" because you believe in your escort career choice, but I hardly think you own this thread on a more human level IF you really don't give a rat's ass about any other T-girls and the plights they are facing. IF you don't care about them facing persecution or societal rejection or even for their feelings as they possibly find their hearts broken on a daily basis. I HOPE that's not how you really feel, and that you just misspoke above in a moment of haste.

After all, isn't the truest measure of us as human beings...of our true worth...being how we help each other? That we DO give a "rat's ass" about each other?

[CreativeMind]

You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you. Nor does her choice of what she does reflect on who you are, what you are, or what you do. No one forms an opinion of you based on what Melissa does.

It's not a reach at all -- it's just you siding with Melissa and not even getting the point that I was making.
In fact, you ultimately ended up AGREEING with me, Ila.

You just said (quote): "You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you."

Well, compare that to what I actually said before (quote): "Yes, it's true that Melissa's day-to-day activities as an escort may not have an effect on our own day-to-day lives since they don't actually intersect."

Gee, seems to me I said the exact same thing!
So what are you bitching about?!

Nowhere in my posts did I condemn Melissa FOR being an escort. All I did was answer her original question. And for the record, here's my answer again: I think most guys would want the PRETTY WOMAN movie ending. Given this particular dramatic scenario (as postulated by Melissa), a guy would meet a TS...they'd fall in love...but once he found out that she was working as an escort, he'd want her to give up her job -- whether she found something else to do or whether he supported her himself -- so their romance could continue on. And so it would be on far more stable emotional ground. Period, end of story. That's my opinion, and I think most guys...on average...would feel that way.

And for the record, that's NOT even an indictment on someone who chooses to work as an escort. That's not a pro or con statement on the profession. Frankly, what it IS a statement about is the emotional state of most guys. That most guys wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that their significant other was a sex worker. Hell, we're talking about your lover working as an escort -- about her actually having sex with other people. Most guys I know who have even dated strippers or cam girls, who simply take their clothes off and get naked for other guys (and no sex is involved) likewise want their GFs to quit their jobs once the romance turns serious. That's just the way it normally goes for most guys.

Now, Ila, if you want to side with Melissa in everything she says and does, that's fine. That's YOUR choice and it's you voicing YOUR opinion based on YOUR beliefs about what's right and wrong. In the end, it's a reflection of YOUR personal standards and what YOU believe in.

Which was exactly the point of my post, which you missed completely.

Bottom line again: Melissa asked us all a question, the answer to which ultimately revealed each of our own moral standards and beliefs. That was the whole POINT of her question -- which is why it was a fun question to begin with. Not because it had a right or wrong answer, but because the answer that each person gave would ultimately say and reveal something about THEMSELVES.

So, I stand by what I said. HOW we all answered IS a reflection on each of us because it reveals what we EACH believe.

[O'Sully TS Hopeful]

Luckily for me I have a good job that allow me complete a transition. But I'm positive I will be fired from it once I do transition. The reason I say this is because it happened to the transwoman that worked there last year. When my boss found out that she was not genetic he told her that if she sucked him off he would allow her to keep her job. She did and he fired her anyway saying to her "do you really think I'd keep a freal like you on my workforce." While he spat at her.

This transwoman happens to be a good friend of mine. She is helping me with my transition. But she finds it extremely hard to find a job in the city being that she is a transwoman. So she decided that she would be an escort. And she finds the job rather fulfilling.

If I run into the same situation I also may CHOOSE to become an escort. And there is nothing wrong with that. I can only hope that I will meet a man that is understanding and doesn't care that I am an escort, if I CHOSE to become one.

And by the way smolderingtemptress, I have a masters degree and still might not be able to get a job or might just CHOSE to escort because for all I know I might like it. So please sit back and stop implying that transwomen who escort are basically crap. Because they aren't and just for implying it, you're the one who is CRAP.

[TSmelissacarter]

Personally, I think it does matter if money is earned "legal or illegal." And I certainly don't believe that anyone should be allowed to hide behind the all-encompassing blanket excuse of "It only matters that you make it. It's what you do after you make the money that matters." I mean, that's certainly an incredibly slippery slope of conditional morality -- perpetually convenient only to the person and not showing any responsibility to anyone else or to society as a whole.

Isn't it funny how people rise to their highest moral levels on these discussion boards? These are the same people who cut you off in traffic, find your wallet and keep your money, talk behind a co-worker's back for their own personal gain, take a vow to be faithful then cheat routinely, see a homeless person approach for money and ignore them....and yet suddenly here I am face to face, on a porn discussion board of all places, with St Francis of Azzizi.

For example, I'll use an example that I used before: what about a guy who peddles drugs to young kids at a local school yard? Apply your own equation to that. That guy is making his money by doing something illegal. And in terms of the cash he's pocketing, he's living by your other rule that it only matters that you make it. So completely following through with what you said -- "It's what you do after you make the money that matters" -- are you actually telling us that if he now uses that money to take his elderly mom out for dinner on Mother's Day that THAT made peddling drugs to little kids okay? That because he did something nice for his mom after the drug sale, THAT justified his actions?

A truly retarded example. Nowhere do I advocate the abuse of children or violence against another human. So if you have to be technical about it, allow me to qualify my statement and say, "as long as your business does not involve the abuse of/or violence towards others." Jeez, spare us the bullshit.

Now, on the other hand, maybe what you were simply trying to say is that there are some things that you believe SHOULDN'T be illegal -- such as escorting. Maybe it's your personal belief that more communities should legalize sex work, that it shouldn't be an illegal trade.

No, thats not what I was saying. I can speak clearly and form sentences on my own, thank you. No, it is better that escorting is illegal. There's more money and less competition. And I'll put my fine ass up against any of the competition. I'm the number one rated girl in New Jersey and some say the East Coast.


Much like you've made certain choices in life and would like people to respect you for them...or at least allow you to practice them...why shouldn't they be allowed to do the same? Or be allowed to believe in certain things without your open mocking? Otherwise you're now showing how intolerant you can be as well, at which point the wheel just spins around and intolerance continues to be the norm. And then no one is served since the cycle just keeps going on and on...

I don't need to show tolerance to this twit. I asked a question to the group and was personally attacked by this individual. I only need to defend myself, which I do quite well. I buried that con artist, he's shown the readers nothing of substance. He called me a plague. A plague. Re-read his words. Now how's that for mocking? Address that intolerance and stop being dorky and misdirecting your arguments. Target the target not the victim.


CreativeMind, so far the only creative thing I see from you is a complete misdirection of your criticisms.

[TSmelissacarter]

She formed an opinion of me based on my disagreement with her choice of profession.


Don't downgrade your attack, mister. You called me a plague. You took a simple question I posed and turned it into a personal attack. That's fucked up. My opinion was based on your offensive comments and the fact that you speak from an anonymous profile.

And still you contend to be a TS, one of "us". I see you have a cartoon image now for your avatar. LOL what a fucking twit. People, this is a man. A man who deep down inside wants to be TS but doesn't have the guts. A man who hides behind his computer espousing the virtues of a saint yet can't even put up a picture of his face. Why would you give this loser an ounce of credibility?

[TSmelissacarter]

But, Melissa, why wouldn't you give a rat's ass about other people? Certainly about any fellow T-girls or as Bionca called them in a previous post "all your fellow sisters"?

bla bla bla

Sorry, but here's my two cents worth.
In the end, the world breaks down into two types of people...

TYPE 1: Those who had a rough time in life, trying to climb certain ladders or open certain doors, and who were left a bit angry about the way the world treated them -- and thus they feel the next person coming up the ladder or trying to open a door, trying to make it in the world, should have to go through the same bullshit and pain. In short: "Hey, if I had to put up with the bullshit, so do you!!!"

VERSUS

TYPE 2: Those who had a rough time in life or met certain obstacles, and who now want TO HELP the next person in line. Who want to TURN their life experiences into a learning tool to help and spare the next person all of that same pain. In short: a person who wants to use their life to make things better and easier for the next person in line.

bla bla bla

After all, isn't the truest measure of us as human beings...of our true worth...being how we help each other? That we DO give a "rat's ass" about each other?

William Blake summed it up much better and succintly:


Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night

As for this horseshit of being a spokesperson or a cheerleader or some kind of role model for the trans community, here is my reply:

FUCK YOU.

I don't need to be any of those things. I can just be me and if they want to learn from me they should watch me. Do you think artists care about the younger art generation coming of age? Do you think Jackson Pollock or Mark Rothko gave a shit about their younger cohorts looking for guidance? Fuck no! They painted, they drank, they lived their lives. And they have left some of the most beautfiul modern artworks ever made. And therein lies the lesson for the young artist.

The greatest thing I can do for any younger tranny, and let me reiterate I could care less about them, is simply live my life.

[TSmelissacarter]

Luckily for me I have a good job that allow me complete a transition. But I'm positive I will be fired from it once I do transition. The reason I say this is because it happened to the transwoman that worked there last year. When my boss found out that she was not genetic he told her that if she sucked him off he would allow her to keep her job. She did and he fired her anyway saying to her "do you really think I'd keep a freal like you on my workforce." While he spat at her.

This transwoman happens to be a good friend of mine. She is helping me with my transition. But she finds it extremely hard to find a job in the city being that she is a transwoman. So she decided that she would be an escort. And she finds the job rather fulfilling.

If I run into the same situation I also may CHOOSE to become an escort. And there is nothing wrong with that. I can only hope that I will meet a man that is understanding and doesn't care that I am an escort, if I CHOSE to become one.

And by the way smolderingtemptress, I have a masters degree and still might not be able to get a job or might just CHOSE to escort because for all I know I might like it. So please sit back and stop implying that transwomen who escort are basically crap. Because they aren't and just for implying it, you're the one who is CRAP.

I wish you luck Gianna and I can tell you are the real deal.

Please be careful at your job, I've been fired five times since coming out. The corporate world is not interested in women like us. At least not on any high level.

[Talvenada]

MEL:

You're a handful and a mouthful, and no stranger to pleasure.

Piece,

TAL

[smolderingtemptress]

Don't downgrade your attack, mister. You called me a plague. You took a simple question I posed and turned it into a personal attack. That's fucked up. My opinion was based on your offensive comments and the fact that you speak from an anonymous profile.

And still you contend to be a TS, one of "us". I see you have a cartoon image now for your avatar. LOL what a fucking twit. People, this is a man. A man who deep down inside wants to be TS but doesn't have the guts. A man who hides behind his computer espousing the virtues of a saint yet can't even put up a picture of his face. Why would you give this loser an ounce of credibility?

I called escorting a plague. You're just getting way too defensive. If you are truly at peace with what you do, you wouldn't feel the need to continually justify it.

And how many members here actually have a photo? Nowhere does it say that TS members need to have an actual photo, nor does not having one affect anything I've said thus far. Rather juvenile to hold so much importance over a picture, and such an obvious attempt to dismiss what I've said all for the sake of "credibility". Seeing proof that I'm a TS won't change how you feel about my opinions anyway, so stop trying to cop out.

[TSmelissacarter]

MEL:

You're a handful and a mouthful, and no stranger to pleasure.

Piece,

TAL

FUCKIN A-RIGHT!

Just another wild pony on the loose.

[TSmelissacarter]

I called escorting a plague. You're just getting way too defensive. If you are truly at peace with what you do, you wouldn't feel the need to continually justify it.

And how many members here actually have a photo? Nowhere does it say that TS members need to have an actual photo, nor does not having one affect anything I've said thus far. Rather juvenile to hold so much importance over a picture, and such an obvious attempt to dismiss what I've said all for the sake of "credibility". Seeing proof that I'm a TS won't change how you feel about my opinions anyway, so stop trying to cop out.

Hahahaha yea like theres a TS on the web without a photo, lol.

Defensive? After you calling me shit? You will get zero support here, every post will make you look worse. Didn't you have enough? I usually get 500 to fuck someone bring your checkbook next time.

[smolderingtemptress]

Hahahaha yea like theres a TS on the web without a photo, lol.

Not all of us are attention whores on the web, lol.

[TSmelissacarter]

Not all of us are attention whores on the web, lol.

We all see what's going on you're hiding behind a cartoon. Go shave your face and scratch that beer belly dude.

[smolderingtemptress]

We all see what's going on you're hiding behind a cartoon. Go shave your face and scratch that beer belly dude.

With all the extra time and money, couldn't you at least do something about your spare tire?

[TSmelissacarter]

I am a fucking Goddess

now get back to your cubicle, the boss is watching

[yaya65]

This is, ladies, what you call a cat fight :innocent:

[TSmelissacarter]

I'm playing with my kittens right now. I'll be running along the Delaware River shortly and then going to see a regular client who will pay me 350 for the privilege. He loves and worships me.

Later I'm booking hotel rooms and taking out promotional ads for the next few weeks. I have to schedule my pre admission testing for my upcoming breast implant surgery on November 24th. My bf is paying the hospital fees.

I baked some chicken last night and will be warming that up along with some fresh Basmati rice and a spinach salad for my bf tonight when he comes over.

In between I'll take a date or two if they come along, which they probably will. I'll probably make betwen 700-1000 today. I hope to spend some time working on my book "Plan Z", which is a thinly-velied autobiography.

For today I simply want to diet, stay clean and sober, appreciate my freeedom and express myself through words and paint.

I am in charge of my destiny. Rain water rolls off my back and wind sweeps around my figure. I am so in control. I love my life and am proud of what I have become!

[TSmelissacarter]

This is, ladies, what you call a cat fight :innocent:

It takes two cats for a catfight, all I see is a lady and a man hiding behind a computer.

[ila]

upcoming breast implant surgery

Why would you want implants? I think your breasts are beautiful they way are now.

[TSmelissacarter]

Why would you want implants? I think your breasts are beautiful they way are now.


They are small b cups right now, they will be a little fuller and c cups after the surgery. That's the way I want them.

[yaya65]

It takes two cats for a catfight, all I see is a lady and a man hiding behind a computer.

I was just trying to lighten the thread up, but ok.

[TSmelissacarter]

I'm going for my run. I'll be back in a few hours. Feel free to rank on this fucking loser smotheringTS-wannabee or whatever his name is. You know, the cartoon guy.

Kisses to all of you, even those who don't love me right now. Don't worry, you will.

[desirouspussy]

Why would you want implants? I think your breasts are beautiful they way are now.

Couldn't agree more, Ila! Wish we could change your mind, Melissa. They are just perfect.:yes:

[CreativeMind]

William Blake summed it up much better and succintly:

Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night

As for this horseshit of being a spokesperson or a cheerleader or some kind of role model for the trans community, here is my reply:

FUCK YOU.

I don't need to be any of those things. I can just be me and if they want to learn from me they should watch me. Do you think artists care about the younger art generation coming of age? Do you think Jackson Pollock or Mark Rothko gave a shit about their younger cohorts looking for guidance? Fuck no! They painted, they drank, they lived their lives. And they have left some of the most beautfiul modern artworks ever made. And therein lies the lesson for the young artist.

The greatest thing I can do for any younger tranny, and let me reiterate I could care less about them, is simply live my life.


Wow, such GREAT examples in life that you picked there, Melissa.

Let's see, the first was a self-destructive, raging drunk who ultimately alienated and drove away his closest friends and pissed off the critics with his rampant ego, after which he became an isolated soul and spiraled downward into becoming such a piss-poor alcoholic that he ultimately killed himself by driving drunk into a tree...Meanwhile, the other was a self-absorbed, socially withdrawn person who suffered from such low self-esteem that he killed himself by overdosing on anti-depressants AND slicing both of his arms with a razor for good measure.

Gee, you're right, Melissa. They really knew how to "live their lives" and their example makes for SUCH a great "lesson for the young artist." Yep! Those are role models about "how to live your life" that I'd be citing!

Of course, if your attitude about turning to those less fortunate or helping those who are coming up the ladder behind you...who could simply use some kind, consoling help on a basic human level...is a big "Fuck You", then I think you're telling us more about yourself than any finger pointing you're desperately, pathetically and hilariously trying to put our way.

In fact, going back to how this whole thread started and your original question, my initial answer still stands. I think most guys would want their newfound love to leave the escort business behind simply so their romance could be on more stable grounds. On the other hand, given your attitudes expressed here...and your choices in role models about "how to lead your life"...you now bring up a whole new slant to things. Namely, if someone worked as an escort, but was totally self-centered -- in short, they were caught up in such an ego-driven power trip that they were only concerned with them self, about making money anyway or anyhow (legal or illegal), and they were willing to snub or even fuck over anyone who got in their way -- then why WOULD you want to be in a relationship with such a person? It wouldn't matter if they were an escort or not. Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with someone so self-absorbed and ultimately self-destructive?

But hey, that's just my opinion on what makes for a warm and loving relationship that will stand the test of time. Those are my personal and moral viewpoints. Although, I loved that earlier...in reference to those...that you referred to me as St. Francis of Azzizi. Gee, for someone who claims to be such the brilliant former executive -- who chose to leave her success in the corporate world behind to lay on a bed for 500 bucks a fuck instead -- and for someone who claims to be such the intellectual, right down to quoting William Blake, I'd love for you to point out AZZIZI on the map for me. I was just wondering if it might be some place close to ASSISI...

[TSmelissacarter]

I seriously don't have the time or energy to read through all that but I did notice at the end you corrected me on my spelling, lol.

You insist I as a "seasoned" TS should mentor future TS wannabees. You apparently can't see it but I gave truly excellent advice. They should all read this thread and they'll be better for it.

As an aside, I think it's funny that you, and a few others, expect me to be an example. In my own way I am. I ran 5 miles this morning, took two dates, paid my credit card bills, and am cooking rice now waiting for my bf to come over. I am a success, just like Rothko and Pollock, except I'm clean and sober.

Creative, check my spelling please, thank you.

[TSmelissacarter]

Couldn't agree more, Ila! Wish we could change your mind, Melissa. They are just perfect.:yes:


Thanks, they will be more perfect in a few short weeks. Wish me good luck on November 24th!

[Talvenada]

Thanks, they will be more perfect in a few short weeks. Wish me good luck on November 24th!

MEL,

Come spend time between your legs?

Doing what? Please be graphic?

PM if too graphic?

I'm cool w/ show 'n' tell.

Awaiting your reply, wild pony for a bucking stallion,

TAL

[TSmelissacarter]

MEL,

Come spend time between your legs?

Doing what? Please be graphic?

PM if too graphic?

I'm cool w/ show 'n' tell.

Awaiting your reply, wild pony for a bucking stallion,

TAL


Bring sunscreen and a beach umbrella it's hot as hell down there.

[Talvenada]

Bring sunscreen and a beach umbrella it's hot as hell down there.

MEL,

Can I take it pic #1 is not an all day sucker, but a mouthful of Tabasco sauce?

Is pic #2 the tunnel of erection makers by any chance?

Piece of your mine,

TAL

[cham]

Melissa, you rock!!! :respect:

Cham

[TSmelissacarter]

Is pic #2 the tunnel of erection makers by any chance?


My weapons of mass erections

[Talvenada]

My weapons of mass erections

MEL,

You say weapons, plural.

What other weapons do you have to bust a man's zipper?

Is it enter your mine at one's own risk?

Piece,

TAL

[TSmelissacarter]

MEL,

You say weapons, plural.

What other weapons do you have to bust a man's zipper?

Is it enter your mine at one's own risk?

Piece,

TAL

Yea and wear a hard hat. My ass will squeeze the life out of any cock that's not rock hard.

[TSmelissacarter]

With all the extra time and money, couldn't you at least do something about your spare tire?

Notice this fucking loser still doesn't have the balls to post a picture of himself. And he has the nerve to critique my body? You should pray to my body, mister I own you.

[TSmelissacarter]

Wow, such GREAT examples in life that you picked there, Melissa.

Let's see, the first was a self-destructive, raging drunk who ultimately alienated and drove away his closest friends and pissed off the critics with his rampant ego, after which he became an isolated soul and spiraled downward into becoming such a piss-poor alcoholic that he ultimately killed himself by driving drunk into a tree...Meanwhile, the other was a self-absorbed, socially withdrawn person who suffered from such low self-esteem that he killed himself by overdosing on anti-depressants AND slicing both of his arms with a razor for good measure.

Gee, you're right, Melissa. They really knew how to "live their lives" and their example makes for SUCH a great "lesson for the young artist." Yep! Those are role models about "how to live your life" that I'd be citing!

Of course, if your attitude about turning to those less fortunate or helping those who are coming up the ladder behind you...who could simply use some kind, consoling help on a basic human level...is a big "Fuck You", then I think you're telling us more about yourself than any finger pointing you're desperately, pathetically and hilariously trying to put our way.

In fact, going back to how this whole thread started and your original question, my initial answer still stands. I think most guys would want their newfound love to leave the escort business behind simply so their romance could be on more stable grounds. On the other hand, given your attitudes expressed here...and your choices in role models about "how to lead your life"...you now bring up a whole new slant to things. Namely, if someone worked as an escort, but was totally self-centered -- in short, they were caught up in such an ego-driven power trip that they were only concerned with them self, about making money anyway or anyhow (legal or illegal), and they were willing to snub or even fuck over anyone who got in their way -- then why WOULD you want to be in a relationship with such a person? It wouldn't matter if they were an escort or not. Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with someone so self-absorbed and ultimately self-destructive?

But hey, that's just my opinion on what makes for a warm and loving relationship that will stand the test of time. Those are my personal and moral viewpoints. Although, I loved that earlier...in reference to those...that you referred to me as St. Francis of Azzizi. Gee, for someone who claims to be such the brilliant former executive -- who chose to leave her success in the corporate world behind to lay on a bed for 500 bucks a fuck instead -- and for someone who claims to be such the intellectual, right down to quoting William Blake, I'd love for you to point out AZZIZI on the map for me. I was just wondering if it might be some place close to ASSISI...

And just so you know, Azzizi is the old world spelling for Assisi. Look at old art books and portraits of St. Francis are spelled Azzizi.

Now back to your search for moral conviction on a porn discussion board, I'm listening...

[hankhavelock]

How about it guys,

If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?

No, certainly not - hence my initial respons.

[twotap]

how could any one tell lia no what a lady

[ila]

Thanks, they will be more perfect in a few short weeks. Wish me good luck on November 24th!

Best wishes for a successful operation and a speedy recovery with no complications.

I still think though that your breasts are beautiful and luscious as they are now.

[Talvenada]

Yea and wear a hard hat. My ass will squeeze the life out of any cock that's not rock hard.

MEL:

Your lips look like a weapon to me too, and I'd bet they've not missed much action, no?

Piece,

TAL

[O'Sully TS Hopeful]

I wish you luck Gianna and I can tell you are the real deal.

Please be careful at your job, I've been fired five times since coming out. The corporate world is not interested in women like us. At least not on any high level.

Thanks so much, and in a job I'm 100% positive I'll be fired. I don't know maybe they think big breast will get in the way of pouring chemicals. Or maybe they think I'll distract the co-workers to much.

Oh, by the way your dick looks so suckable. I'd also love to have it in my ass.
:turnon::coupling:

[DL_NL]

You'd never be fired for that in Holland, you'd have a good case against them in court. Move to a less conservative country!

[Talvenada]

Thanks so much, and in a job I'm 100% positive I'll be fired. I don't know maybe they think big breast will get in the way of pouring chemicals. Or maybe they think I'll distract the co-workers to much.

Oh, by the way your dick looks so suckable. I'd also love to have it in my ass.
:turnon::coupling:

GIANNA,

It's probably fear of temptation, of their own vulnerability, of the unknown, of an unsuspecting co-worker falling into your lustful trap w/ all the problems that would affect workforce productivity. Ergo, their imagination would dwarf reality.

Piece,


TAL

[CreativeMind]

And just so you know, Azzizi is the old world spelling for Assisi. Look at old art books and portraits of St. Francis are spelled Azzizi.

Now back to your search for moral conviction on a porn discussion board, I'm listening...


I highly doubt that. The only one you seem interested in listening to is your own voice, which is continually propelled onward by an intellectually bankrupt brain and a self-delusional ego.

And just so YOU know, the old world spelling for Assisi was NOT "Azzizi", you bonehead -- it was actually ASISIUM, which is the word in its original LATIN form since the town was originally formed by traveling immigrants, then occupied by the Etruscans, and finally the Romans in 295 BC. And notice that even THEN in its Latin form it was spelled using the letter "S." And I would know this why? Gee, maybe because of the multiple degrees I hold, one of them is in Classical History and Ancient Languages.

Oh, and if you don't believe me, here's an easy test for the truly retarded out there: try using your own computer and doing 10 seconds of actual research. Try plugging AZZIZI into Google and see what comes up. The word will generate a lowly 10,000 entries. Now look at the what the entries are about. Do you see anything there about the famous town in Italy? See anything about St. Francis, religion or art history? No. And do you know why it's a "no", Melissa? Because you're wrong yet again.

Gee, what a shock there.

Now plug in ASSISI into Google and hit enter. The result: 11 MILLION entries -- yes, that's millions as in PLURAL -- and you will instantly see from the very first page that they are ALL about the famous Italian town and it's relevance in history, religion, and even art.

In fact, speaking as someone with an art degree as well -- yes, I'm a professional artist myself (as in sold, printed, published, you name it) -- if you actually were an artist as you claim, Melissa, and if you had studied any art history at all, then you'd know that in times of old using the letter "Z" as a replacement for the letter "S" was done NOT to change the spelling, but simply because artists found the brush stroke of making a "Z" easier on a canvas and they often found it to be stylistic in a final rendering. But that simple artistic flourish aside, it doesn't alter the fact that the actual spelling for the town is ASSISI -- and even back then those same artists marking their canvases with a "Z" knew it.

But hey, thanks for trying to play the game yet again, Melissa. You could have let it go, but once again your ego got in the way and you just felt that you HAD to get the last word in, all so you could try to belittle someone who DARED to disagree with you. Once again you thought you could just toss out some tiny bit of information and thus it MUST be true because YOU said it. Unfortunately, all you've managed to do is show everyone what an ego-driven potato head you are.

And on that note, the game show buzzer has sounded and sad to say, you're this week's loser. But don't worry, my lovely co-host dressed in a beautiful gown has a nice consolation prize for you as you exit the stage. At which point we'll now welcome our next game show contestant, who will actually know something about the topic they're speaking of...

[TSmelissacarter]

And yet after all that blather, you still want to suck my cock.

[rhythmic delivery]

its imposible for me to say, my initial reaction to the question is no i would try to look past it. but i think if it came down to it i might find i couldn't deal with it. no one wants to be sitting at home knowing their girlfriend is out somewhere getting fucked. the more i think about it the more i think i couldn't do it. particularly if she was an escort. no man could sit calmly at home knowing his woman is out putting her life on the line fucking random strangers for a living. even if i tryed to accept it i think i would end up doing something crazy like beating the shit out of one of her clients.
i also think if a woman realy loved her man she wouldn't expect him sit at home while she's out getting fucked here there and everywhere.

[desirouspussy]

Thanks, they will be more perfect in a few short weeks. Wish me good luck on November 24th!

Of course I wish you good luck! It's your decision and we have to respect that. Still think you're about to destroy something very pretty.:(

[O'Sully TS Hopeful]

GIANNA,

It's probably fear of temptation, of their own vulnerability, of the unknown, of an unsuspecting co-worker falling into your lustful trap w/ all the problems that would affect workforce productivity. Ergo, their imagination would dwarf reality.

Piece,


TAL

Honestly thats exactly what I think. And how knows maybe I'll be so damn attractive that my employer won't be able to close his mouth, from drooling so much, to say the words. Then I'll be extremely happy.:D

[TSmelissacarter]

Of course I wish you good luck! It's your decision and we have to respect that. Still think you're about to destroy something very pretty.:(

I'm on the road to devastating, honey, nothing destructive going on here.

[sweetshemale18]

Melissa it is a valid question..and I think you should just let ppl give their answers.
They may be right or wrong according to you. But you need not correct them.
Infact you could be happy that so many ppl actually wanted to answer the question.
Besides you got to know about the opinions of so many people thats awesome right..

[TSmelissacarter]

Melissa it is a valid question..and I think you should just let ppl give their answers.
They may be right or wrong according to you. But you need not correct them.
Infact you could be happy that so many ppl actually wanted to answer the question.
Besides you got to know about the opinions of so many people thats awesome right..


Yea I wanted opinions to the question. When I hear judgments on what I do with my life they will get corrections, as you put it.

[randolph]

Dear Melissa.
As a male I hesitate to get involved in this discussion. However, I think the issue goes beyond tgirls. As a working tgirl, I suspect most of your clients are actually married men who are not getting what they want at home. how would there wives respond if they knew their husbands were being pleasured by you? I suspect they would want a divorce. Knowing their husband was paying for sex would be intolerable. We all know that when it comes to, sex men are idiots. Imagine Kennedy, Clinton and now Spitzer, the limbic system rules. Wives want to own their husbands and most men want to own their wives. I think possesion would also apply to a tgirl relationship. :respect:
I am ready to be flamed. :confused:

[TSmelissacarter]

Those are excellent points and right on the money.

Most men are married and cheat but that's their business not mine. They get the erotic experience they yearn for with me and often come back for more.

As for my current bf he has no problem with what I do.

Let me also add these are the types of comments I was after not a moral indictment or personal attack on what I do.

Its pathetic that someone would view a person as less than a doctor lawyer or any other professional simply because she is an escort. Even more pathetic when it comes from anonymous sources.

[entwcu]

it depends girl!

[randolph]

Dear Melissa,
I think you are very intelligent and very sexy. So here is a little story for you.
I am traveling East to give a talk to a global warming conference. I contact you and arrange to take you out to your favorite restaurant. I meet you and and you have on a sleek black silk chemise dress (very short). We enter the restaurant and all the men turn and look at you, much to the annoyance of their wifes. We enjoy some fine wine and excellent seafood. Then we return to the hotel and enter my room, I lock the door and hug and kiss you. I open a bottle of champaign and we sip bubbly while looking at each other. You say, what do you want to do? I say, I would like to watch you take off that dress. You loosen the shoulder straps and allow the dress to drop to the floor revealing your shapely body. You remove the light bra you were wearing, revealing you lovely puffy shemale titties. I look at your panties and full of shemale goodies. By now I am beside myself with lust. I kneel down and push my face into your crotch feeling the warmth of your goodies inside your panties. I slowly pull down your panties and watch your lovely cock rise to the occasion. I kiss it on the tip and a drop of precum appears. I lick it up and begin loving your cock with my tongue and stroking the shaft. You encourage me to continue and I eagerly oblige. Soon you grasp my head with both hands and begin rapidly thrusting your throbbing cock in and out of my mouth. Suddenly I feel your hot sweet cum spurting into my mouth, I eagerly suck it up and swallow every drop. Umm delicious! As you finish cumming I carefully lick up every drop of your oozing cum. Meanwhile, my cock is dripping precum anxiously awaiting you wet lips.
We spent the night embraced in sound sleep. In the morning we hug and kiss, arrange for a meeting after the conference and I head out to give my talk feeling ten years younger. :inlove::respect:

[smolderingtemptress]

Its pathetic that someone would view a person as less than a doctor lawyer or any other professional simply because she is an escort. Even more pathetic when it comes from anonymous sources.

And even more pathetic yet that someone who was once in a successful, legitimate career threw it all away to prostitute.

[TSmelissacarter]

More comments from the man behind the curtain.

I traded in a dead end job for a true career I have thousands of fans who adore me as a woman artist and writer. Its comical you can't fathom that go ahead retort with some personal insult you only look more pathetic.

[TSmelissacarter]

Dear Melissa,
I think you are very intelligent and very sexy. So here is a little story for you.
I am traveling East to give a talk to a global warming conference. I contact you and arrange to take you out to your favorite restaurant. I meet you and and you have on a sleek black silk chemise dress (very short). We enter the restaurant and all the men turn and look at you, much to the annoyance of their wifes. We enjoy some fine wine and excellent seafood. Then we return to the hotel and enter my room, I lock the door and hug and kiss you. I open a bottle of champaign and we sip bubbly while looking at each other. You say, what do you want to do? I say, I would like to watch you take off that dress. You loosen the shoulder straps and allow the dress to drop to the floor revealing your shapely body. You remove the light bra you were wearing, revealing you lovely puffy shemale titties. I look at your panties and full of shemale goodies. By now I am beside myself with lust. I kneel down and push my face into your crotch feeling the warmth of your goodies inside your panties. I slowly pull down your panties and watch your lovely cock rise to the occasion. I kiss it on the tip and a drop of precum appears. I lick it up and begin loving your cock with my tongue and stroking the shaft. You encourage me to continue and I eagerly oblige. Soon you grasp my head with both hands and begin rapidly thrusting your throbbing cock in and out of my mouth. Suddenly I feel your hot sweet cum spurting into my mouth, I eagerly suck it up and swallow every drop. Umm delicious! As you finish cumming I carefully lick up every drop of your oozing cum. Meanwhile, my cock is dripping precum anxiously awaiting you wet lips.
We spent the night embraced in sound sleep. In the morning we hug and kiss, arrange for a meeting after the conference and I head out to give my talk feeling ten years younger. :inlove::respect:

WOW is all I can say. My favorite line:

Your puffy shemale titties

I'm having implant surgery next week so you may need to change your description.

Melissa

[Rachel]

I think it's great that you can get paid for something you enjoy doing!

[randolph]

WOW is all I can say. My favorite line:

Your puffy shemale titties

I'm having implant surgery next week so you may need to change your description.

Melissa

Dear Melissa,
I hope the implants go well. If they are not too large and well done then they can be sexy.;):kiss:
Love,
Randolph

[TSmelissacarter]

And even more pathetic yet that someone who was once in a successful, legitimate career threw it all away to prostitute.

Take note how this douchebag disappears on weekends. He will return on Monday, no doubt chime in from behind his anonymous profile on his work computer and assault me with More denigrating remarks. That's why this board is lame, because it tolerates this kind of conduct towards an established and revered member of the TS world.

[TSmelissacarter]

Dear Melissa,
I hope the implants go well. If they are not too large and well done then they can be sexy.;):kiss:
Love,
Randolph

Thank you for your good wishes. Please remember I'm not geting them for you or anyone else or anyone's vision of a sexier me.
They will be fuller and most likely c cups not d's. I do all augmentations with symmetry and a natural look in mind.

Thank you again for your thoughts.

[TSmelissacarter]

I think it's great that you can get paid for something you enjoy doing!

Sometimes I enjoy it sometimes I don't. What I do enjoy always is the freedom and autonomy this vocation offers not to mention it is lucrative and I travel a lot. Just got back from Washington DC, Baltimore and Virginia the week before I was in long island and the week before Boston and Hartford.

[sweetshemale18]

nice..so much travel..cool..
not my cup of tea...i travel a bit too..but not soo much..

[CreativeMind]

Its pathetic that someone would view a person as less than a doctor, lawyer or any other professional simply because she is an escort.
Even more pathetic when it comes from anonymous sources.

LMAO! Wait, this is just TOO good to pass up!!!
"As less than a doctor, lawyer, or any other professional simply because she is an escort."

Melissa, I know you love to boast about what you do. I came to realize a while back that it's basically impossible to take anything you say serious simply because it's always just SO ridiculously "out there". But let me get this latest Melissa-ism straight: In terms of the working world... in terms of being recognized as a "professional"... NOW you are actually trying to rank being an escort side-by-side with being a DOCTOR???

Tell you what, let's run this one off, shall we?

To be a DOCTOR...

1) While everyone else is taking average High School classes,
you have to take A.P. (advanced placement) college level classes instead.
And you have to do well in them and then nail your SATs, scoring in the upper level,
to get yourself into a good Undergraduate College...

2) You then have to go through 4 years of Undergraduate College
(all the while making sure you still get nothing but TOP grades)...

3) You then have to pass the MCATS
(which are among the hardest exams on the face of the Earth)...

4) You then have to go through further years of Medical School...
(again making sure you get nothing but TOP grades)...

5) You then have to do Residency work at an established hospital,
working long and sleepless shifts around the clock...

And once you've done all of that and spent (on average these days) anywhere
between $225,000 to $250,000 just to get through the educational phase...

...Only then can you actually start doing your job, which is regarded by essentially every civilized culture in the world as one of the highest callings that any person could possibly pursue since your career is now centered on HELPING, PRESERVING, AND SAVING HUMAN LIVES.

Meanwhile, on the other end of the scale, to be an ESCORT...

...The ONLY job skill you need to know is how to lay in bed.
Which last time I checked, we all learned as infants.

So, you have GOT to be kidding me. In the most laughable moment yet, your king-sized ego is actually going to try and claim that being an escort ranks equal on the "professional" scale -- in terms of intellect, schooling, training and, perhaps most important of all, purpose in life -- to being a DOCTOR? You're actually going to try and claim that being an Escort deserves the same kind of "respect" from people you pass on the street as a DOCTOR?

You know, I had another post, but it will have to wait. That's because right now I can't see my keyboard and type because I'm wiping too many tears from my eyes from laughing sooooo hard over this one!

[TSmelissacarter]

I can always count on you for an hour long diatribe on nothing. In reality, you want to kiss my lucious ass and suck my cock.

[fatbloke]

I can always count on you for an hour long diatribe on nothing. In reality, you want to kiss my lucious ass and suck my cock.

:lol:seriously,i don't think he does,on the other hand i think you do:lol:

[TSmelissacarter]

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[TSmelissacarter]

Well lets not forget, Creativemind is, according to him, a working actor, a published writer and an exhibiting artist, lol. Where he finds the time to write his dissertations is beyond me.

Why is it that no one on this board can actually prove that they are what they say they are?

[TSmelissacarter]

:lol:seriously,i don't think he does,on the other hand i think you do:lol:

seriously, with a name like fatbloke, am I to take you seriously?

[TSmelissacarter]

LMAO! Wait, this is just TOO good to pass up!!!
"As less than a doctor, lawyer, or any other professional simply because she is an escort."

Melissa, I know you love to boast about what you do. I came to realize a while back that it's basically impossible to take anything you say serious simply because it's always just SO ridiculously "out there". But let me get this latest Melissa-ism straight: In terms of the working world... in terms of being recognized as a "professional"... NOW you are actually trying to rank being an escort side-by-side with being a DOCTOR???

Tell you what, let's run this one off, shall we?

To be a DOCTOR...

1) While everyone else is taking average High School classes,
you have to take A.P. (advanced placement) college level classes instead.
And you have to do well in them and then nail your SATs, scoring in the upper level,
to get yourself into a good Undergraduate College...

2) You then have to go through 4 years of Undergraduate College
(all the while making sure you still get nothing but TOP grades)...

3) You then have to pass the MCATS
(which are among the hardest exams on the face of the Earth)...

4) You then have to go through further years of Medical School...
(again making sure you get nothing but TOP grades)...

5) You then have to do Residency work at an established hospital,
working long and sleepless shifts around the clock...

And once you've done all of that and spent (on average these days) anywhere
between $225,000 to $250,000 just to get through the educational phase...

...Only then can you actually start doing your job, which is regarded by essentially every civilized culture in the world as one of the highest callings that any person could possibly pursue since your career is now centered on HELPING, PRESERVING, AND SAVING HUMAN LIVES.

Meanwhile, on the other end of the scale, to be an ESCORT...

...The ONLY job skill you need to know is how to lay in bed.
Which last time I checked, we all learned as infants.

So, you have GOT to be kidding me. In the most laughable moment yet, your king-sized ego is actually going to try and claim that being an escort ranks equal on the "professional" scale -- in terms of intellect, schooling, training and, perhaps most important of all, purpose in life -- to being a DOCTOR? You're actually going to try and claim that being an Escort deserves the same kind of "respect" from people you pass on the street as a DOCTOR?

You know, I had another post, but it will have to wait. That's because right now I can't see my keyboard and type because I'm wiping too many tears from my eyes from laughing sooooo hard over this one!


You prove my point exactly, CreativeMind. You see me, and I assume any other woman in the sex industry, as a less valuable human being than a doctor. It took you an hour to make your fascist long-winded point, but you made it. Congratulations, you are part of the problem.

[randolph]

LMAO! Wait, this is just TOO good to pass up!!!
"As less than a doctor, lawyer, or any other professional simply because she is an escort."

Melissa, I know you love to boast about what you do. I came to realize a while back that it's basically impossible to take anything you say serious simply because it's always just SO ridiculously "out there". But let me get this latest Melissa-ism straight: In terms of the working world... in terms of being recognized as a "professional"... NOW you are actually trying to rank being an escort side-by-side with being a DOCTOR???

Tell you what, let's run this one off, shall we?

To be a DOCTOR...

1) While everyone else is taking average High School classes,
you have to take A.P. (advanced placement) college level classes instead.
And you have to do well in them and then nail your SATs, scoring in the upper level,
to get yourself into a good Undergraduate College...

2) You then have to go through 4 years of Undergraduate College
(all the while making sure you still get nothing but TOP grades)...

3) You then have to pass the MCATS
(which are among the hardest exams on the face of the Earth)...

4) You then have to go through further years of Medical School...
(again making sure you get nothing but TOP grades)...

5) You then have to do Residency work at an established hospital,
working long and sleepless shifts around the clock...

And once you've done all of that and spent (on average these days) anywhere
between $225,000 to $250,000 just to get through the educational phase...

...Only then can you actually start doing your job, which is regarded by essentially every civilized culture in the world as one of the highest callings that any person could possibly pursue since your career is now centered on HELPING, PRESERVING, AND SAVING HUMAN LIVES.

Meanwhile, on the other end of the scale, to be an ESCORT...

...The ONLY job skill you need to know is how to lay in bed.
Which last time I checked, we all learned as infants.

So, you have GOT to be kidding me. In the most laughable moment yet, your king-sized ego is actually going to try and claim that being an escort ranks equal on the "professional" scale -- in terms of intellect, schooling, training and, perhaps most important of all, purpose in life -- to being a DOCTOR? You're actually going to try and claim that being an Escort deserves the same kind of "respect" from people you pass on the street as a DOCTOR?

You know, I had another post, but it will have to wait. That's because right now I can't see my keyboard and type because I'm wiping too many tears from my eyes from laughing sooooo hard over this one!

Com on man. Regardless of their "training" most of the time doctors are guessing how to treat someone. They are not much more that witch doctors.
A good escort knows how to treat her client. I suspect escort clients feel a lot better after wards that doctors clients.
We all know that the worlds oldest profession is.;):coupling::turnon::respect:

[TSmelissacarter]

Com on man. Regardless of their "training" most of the time doctors are guessing how to treat someone. They are not much more that witch doctors.
A good escort knows how to treat her client. I suspect escort clients feel a lot better after wards that doctors clients.
We all know that the worlds oldest profession is.;):coupling::turnon::respect:

More to the point, one's vocation does not define their worth. We are all equal in the eyes of the Lord.

However Hitler, and apparently CreativeMind, think otherwise.

[randolph]

More to the point, one's vocation does not define their worth. We are all equal in the eyes of the Lord.

However Hitler, and apparently CreativeMind, think otherwise.

Did you know that Hitler had only one testicle?
Apparently he lost the other one in WW1.
Too bad he didn't lose both.:lol:

[TSmelissacarter]

Did you know that Hitler had only one testicle?
Apparently he lost the other one in WW1.
Too bad he didn't lose both.:lol:

Imagine if he had two...sieg heil, baby!

[CreativeMind]

More comments from the man behind the curtain.

I traded in a dead end job for a true career I have thousands of fans who adore me as a woman artist and writer. Its comical you can't fathom that go ahead retort with some personal insult you only look more pathetic.

LMAO!!! Wait...wait...I have to come to Smoldering's defense because once again this is just TOO good to pass up. Tell you what, Ms. Ego Head Case, here's what no one can comically fathom...

If you actually have "thousands of fans" who adore you AS an artist and a writer (your exact words), then WHY the hell would you even NEED to work as an escort? Seriously, if you're a REAL writer or artist with "thousands of fans" then WHY do you need to have sex with strangers for cash? Not to mention, if you have such a large and committed fan base that is SO dedicated to following your creative work -- which in turn MUST give you some economic freedom -- then WHY would you also possibly jeopardize any loving relationship that you could pursue by being a sex worker?

Me, I just ask speaking as someone who actually HAS written things that have sold in the thousands (and thousands and thousands on top of that) and who HAS made a living as a professional writer. But a funny thing, while I was out at the bank cashing my checks, I don't recall ever needing to work as an escort on the side. Nor do I recall suddenly feeling an urgent need to screw around on someone that I was currently seeing. Why? Gee, maybe because actually having thousands of people purchase my work actually did allow me to pay the bills, which in turn allowed me to center my romantic focus on whoever I was seeing at the time.

So, who exactly are these "thousands of fans" adoring you? I just ask (and openly mock) considering that each of your posts contains the link to your web site, which in turn leads to your online blog. Yet I see that your latest blog entry generated a whopping ONE guy posting in the comments section.

Better still, if you have "thousands of fans" that adore you... I mean, that's a helluva lot of people who would DEFINITELY jump at a chance to see you or be with you... then why don't you explain to us all why you wrote in your blog only 3 weeks ago (quote):

My trip to Boston was so-so. The trip was loaded with guys jerking me around in one form or another, and this continues even back home in New Jersey. I have generally seen an increase in guys playing games, which as you know I call the dickhead factor. The dickhead factor (the ratio of people who call with impure motives, that is they have no real intention of dating) which I originally set at 50% and then adjusted to 75% is now at an all-time high of 90%.

Gee, claiming to have "thousands" of fans versus ONE guy visiting your blog and people now not even booking you.
Yeah, those numbers balance out... in a Twilight Zone dimension!

That's why this board is lame, because it tolerates this kind of conduct towards an established and revered member of the TS world.

LMAO!!!!!! Now you're a "revered" member of the TS world? You're suddenly a perceived LEADER in the TS world? Gee, that's rather laughable since it's coming from the very same person who previously has ranted that she would NOT help anyone coming up behind her or be supportive with advice or offer any help to a fellow TS. So, with an attitude as self-serving as yours, now you think you're "revered" by your fellow TS?

Well, why not?
Since you have imaginary fans, you might as well believe in imaginary adulation TOO :p

[CreativeMind]

Well lets not forget, Creativemind is, according to him, a working actor, a published writer and an exhibiting artist, lol. Where he finds the time to write his dissertations is beyond me.


It's called having talent, a brain, and being smart enough to juggle your time.
You should try it some time.

For crying out loud, I'm not starring in a weekly series, Melissa. Besides, it's not THAT time consuming. In Hollywood, you can often have a shooting time of 8 AM and be done by 3 or 4, thus leaving you the rest of the afternoon and the evening to do other things. Plus, in person, most people find me to be a pretty darn nice guy (mirror held up to me) , so having a pleasant "easy to work with" attitude on a set and not a Drama Queen personality (mirror held up to you) also helps you to land repeated work. There's a valuable tip in that for you, if you're actually smart enough to pick up on it.

As for my art, I've drawn all my life and by the time I was a senior in High School I had already won different contests and state awards. I then turned down a college art scholarship to pursue other interests instead. But I've never stopped working on my art and -- like most people who have an artistic side -- I continue to do it even as a way to relax. Which means I always find spare time to sneak in working on a new piece or project, even if it means burning the midnight oil just because it's important to me to work on something.

And finally as for my "dissertations" -- well, see, that just proves MY background is true unlike the claims you make. You see, when you're REALLY a working writer (i.e. you actually get paid for it) it means you can think conceptually on the spot, you can type relatively fast or with comfortable ease, and then move on. For example, this post took me all of a whopping 2 minutes to write. See, that's what a PROFESSIONAL writer does unlike some people (mirror turned on Melissa again) who make similar claims and yet who can barely manage one sentence replies -- which even then are usually filled with typos galore and pis poor grammatical errors. Which certainly speaks volumes about your own so-called "professional" background.

Translation for the perpetually dim: with a bloated ego like yours and since you walk around with such a chip on your shoulder -- and since you talk and type so horrendously, too -- I guess it's no wonder you got shit-canned from so many jobs and were reduced to becoming a sex worker.

[CreativeMind]

Why is it that no one on this board can actually prove that they are what they say they are?

Well, gee, Einstein, here's a staggering thought for your pea-sized brain to TRY and get around -- maybe because this is a public web board where most people want their privacy protected? Maybe because people are here to simply share in a common interest and that's all there is to it? IF I wanted you to know everything about me, Melissa, I'd direct you to my professional web page, much like others that are here could do as well. But given the topic at hand, there's really no need for that, now is there?

Or as I've posted before, did it ever occur to you that there ARE people here who HAVE become friends...who DO trade emails or pictures or chat away from the site...once they personally found that they liked each other? And while doing that, they likewise realized there was no need to tell the rest of the entire world?

So, when it comes to this constant and now incredibly tiresome Drama Queen rant that you continually whine about -- namely about people revealing "who" they are -- let's just cut through all the self-deluded, outrageously stupid, and egotistical bullshit that you spread like fertilizer on these boards and just say the REAL truth...

At a sex site, the ONLY person who would actually benefit from immediately "showing all" and giving out their real name and photos and private, personal contact information would be a hooker openly trying to solicit herself and thus pick up another cheap trick and some cash.

Oh, wait -- light bulb going off over my head.
I guess that explains why you're always so desperate to tell all, now doesn't it, Melissa?

[CreativeMind]

You prove my point exactly, CreativeMind. You see me, and I assume any other woman in the sex industry, as a less valuable human being than a doctor. It took you an hour to make your fascist long-winded point, but you made it. Congratulations, you are part of the problem.

Did you ACTUALLY read what you wrote?

Okay, let's run through these scenarios and try...TRY, Melissa...to actually imagine how the VAST majority of people and society as a whole would look at this.

1) You live in a small town, population a few thousand. People get sick all the time -- that's fact of life. So WHICH do you think the few thousand people want more of in their town? Doctors they can visit in an office or sex workers parading on the local street corner?

2) You live in a major city where (due to the sheer number of people that live tightly together in a close proximity) diseases -- as mild as a cold or flu or possibly something far more contagious and serious --can spread like wildfire. So which do you think a city needs more of? Doctors or escorts?

3) You're on a small tropical island. Seasonally they have to deal with assorted illnesses due to the tropical weather or they need medical assistance from when a bad storm hits and injures large numbers of people. Or just being an island paradise, they have tourists who accidentally give themselves a nasty cut on some coral while snorkeling, a cut so bad it requires stitching. So pop quiz again - which do you think the Island populace would rather have on hand? A Doctor or a hooker?

You want me to go on with examples?

Please, Melissa, you're just making this laughingly TOO easy now and just making yourself look TOO ridiculously stupid now...

[ila]

Enough of the name calling, character assassination, and denigrating people's occupations. Any more and I'll close the thread to further posts.

[franalexes]

oops:(:eek:

[franalexes]

So Ila deleted my post!

I guess now I have to get ready for the weekend "make-up fuck".:censored:

[TSmelissacarter]

I don't want to add anything more than thank you, Ila, for supporting me.

CreativeMind is an example of everything a transsexual, wait let me correct myself, a woman, hates most.

Thank you again, Ila.

[TSmelissacarter]

And may I add my popularity is something I will not defend. When I state I have thousands of fans that is no exxageration.

I also would ask the moderators to admonish any member who assails or denigrates the work of a TS escort, model, sex worker or adult film actress. It is antithetical to the spirit of this site, where most of the transsexuals who are admired and discussed here are some or all of the above.

[rhythmic delivery]

[QUOTE=CreativeMind;51022]Did you ACTUALLY read what you wrote?

imagine how the VAST majority of people and society as a whole would look at this.

damn your eyes man, who gives a fuck about the vast majority of people. and your scenario's are realy only one scenario, you'd think this was the eighteen hundreds and people where dying in the street the way thats writen. far more people are horny than sick.

[CreativeMind]

I don't want to add anything more than thank you, Ila, for supporting me.

CreativeMind is an example of everything a transsexual, wait let me correct myself, a woman, hates most.

Thank you again, Ila.


Wow! I'm everything a transexual... no, wait, let me quote you accurately... that a woman hates most? Hmm, that sounds pretty bad.

Huh. That's odd. If every TS and woman "hates" a guy like me, then I guess I'll have to find a new explanation for all the PMs I keep finding in my mailbox from the other TS who visit this site, who write to me privately to say they agree with most of the things I've been saying.

Go figure.

[CreativeMind]

And may I add my popularity is something I will not defend. When I state I have thousands of fans that is no exxageration.

Translation: you have no way to back up your assertion. In other words, it's the old political trick (which we see pulled out every election season) tha tis meant to quickly shut down any reporter who starts to raise an eyebrow and ask questions that a politician doesn't want to answer or doesn't want to be put on the spot about -- and thus he wants to avoid the question at all costs since the real answer would be quite revealing. So, it's the old political dodge of someone getting up in front of a microphone and saying something and therefore it MUST be trust...and no one should dare question it...because, after all, the person SAID it. And isn't that enough?

I also would ask the moderators to admonish any member who assails or denigrates the work of a TS escort, model, sex worker or adult film actress. It is antithetical to the spirit of this site, where most of the transsexuals who are admired and discussed here are some or all of the above.

Gee, now that's an interesting response to the whole "doctor" debate.
In fact, why don't we talk about that?

Instead of addressing the actual points or argument presented to you, instead you go crying to the moderators because -- once again -- someone DARED to question your core assertions or DARED to voice an opposing viewpoint. Which frankly is what good, stimulating, intellectual discourse on a message board is about.

In fact, that's the very reason for HAVING a message board where people can interact. For example, let's take this out of the realm of a sex site. Let's say this was the message board for a web site dedicated to talking about the movies -- where (just like this place) using their own private IDs --- you'd have actors or directors or technical members of the crew stopping by to post and share their thoughts on movies that were out, that they worked on, that were made by people they know in the industry. So, on the message board, you'd have actual movie people mingling with the fans and the general movie-going public.

So, basically going by your line of thinking, no one should EVER say something bad about a movie they saw. No one should EVER voice a critical viewpoint. After all, it's a movie site, right? And if real Hollywood people are stopping by, then offering up criticisms or saying "Gee, I really didn't think your movie was very good" should be forbidden. All because YOUR viewpoint, Melissa, would be to stomp your feet and say -- literally in a perfect parallel to what you said above -- "I would ask the moderators to admonish any member who assails or denigrates the work of an actor, director, writer, or technical crew member. It is antithetical to the spirit of this site, where most of the people who are admired and discussed here are some or all of the above."

However, what I find really fascinating and laughable...and two can play at this game on call on the Moderators...is the double standard game you love to play, Melissa. You want to run and cry to the moderators for support when someone voices an opinion you don't like or dares to challenge you...you want to make a plea like you did above saying "it's antithetical to the spirit of this site" to "denigrate a escort, model, sex worker or adult actress"...

...And yet if we're going to talk about ACTUAL denigration which is antithetical to the "spirit of this site", here's something I'm curious about.

All across these message boards you perpetually pick on someone like SmolderingTemptress. Why? Simply because she often voices a different opinion from you. You repeatedly mock her simply because she won't post her picture (all because Smoldering simply wants her privacy protected). And yet I find it utterly amazing that the very SAME person who is now calling on the moderators to "admonish" anyone who "denigrates" someone (translation: you want a wall of protection because of your occupation, and you want free reign to say whatever YOU want while others are held in check)...

...Is also the SAME person who in this very same thread has called Smoldering "an anonymous piece of shit"... then called her "mister" (which is certainly an insult to a fellow TS)...and THEN just to top it off you wrote about Smoldering (and I quote): And still you contend to be a TS, one of "us". I see you have a cartoon image now for your avatar. LOL what a fucking twit. People, this is a man. A man who deep down inside wants to be TS but doesn't have the guts. A man who hides behind his computer espousing the virtues of a saint yet can't even put up a picture of his face. Why would you give this loser an ounce of credibility?

Me, I like speaking up.
Why? Because double standards should never be tolerated.

So I call bullshit on your double-standard of "denigration" and things that are "antithetical to the spirit of the site."

[Limegirl]

Wow! I'm everything a transexual... no, wait, let me quote you accurately... that a woman hates most? Hmm, that sounds pretty bad.

Huh. That's odd. If every TS and woman "hates" a guy like me, then I guess I'll have to find a new explanation for all the PMs I keep finding in my mailbox from the other TS who visit this site, who write to me privately to say they agree with most of the things I've been saying.

Go figure.

Agree with CreativeMind, he has good standpoints and its only ridiculous to call them "fascist".
He is NOT what TS or women in general hates most, its rather all what Melissa stands for that is a nightmare for most men who wants a serius relationship.

[randolph]

I would suggest that "Creative Mind" reduce the blather and read Melissa's life story on her website. She is one tough lady, not many of us would have made it through what she has gone through.

[ila]

This thread has gone way off the topic. How about members posting answers to the question posed in the first post.

[rhythmic delivery]

i know, who gives a fuck about how popular anyone is or isn't its fucking boring. although that said, i have fify six real friends and a hundred and fifteen myspace friends and someone once told me i have a nice arse and i'm a milionaire ninja astronaught that fights crime in my spare time. top that, yew slags.

[TSmelissacarter]

What we can say for cetain is the volumes of drek coming from CreativeMind signify a truly sick soul. Who would devote so much time to this but a seriously twisted and disturbed individual?

I'm flattered, but honestly I must get ready for my upcoming surgery wish me luck all.

[cuminmyass]

It wouldn't bother me at all. I would actually enjoy it if she came home a little 'messy', if you get where I'm going with that.

[q1a2z3]

Hey if we love each other who cares what kinda "job" she has. As long as she takes precautions to stay disease free does it matter that she wears knee pads to work? Just think of the all the guys she meets in a week. You could chronicle her career in a book or even several books and make a fortune. I would be more concerned with the following:

1. In later years you can both see the same urologist.
2. Damn! Honey, have you been using my rogaine?
3. Smoking! Seems like most of those "gals" haven't heard the word yet about
how bad smoking is.
4. Get 2-for-1 deals on wigs.
5. Help her pick out a draw string for her anus.
6. When you get up to pee at night she's already sitting there on the can!
Why? Because you are both genetically identical - XY!


Oh yeah! "Cool" and "Wow"

[TSmelissacarter]

Hey if we love each other who cares what kinda "job" she has. As long as she takes precautions to stay disease free does it matter that she wears knee pads to work? Just think of the all the guys she meets in a week. You could chronicle her career in a book or even several books and make a fortune. I would be more concerned with the following:

1. In later years you can both see the same urologist.
2. Damn! Honey, have you been using my rogaine?
3. Smoking! Seems like most of those "gals" haven't heard the word yet about
how bad smoking is.
4. Get 2-for-1 deals on wigs.
5. Help her pick out a draw string for her anus.
6. When you get up to pee at night she's already sitting there on the can!
Why? Because you are both genetically identical - XY!


Oh yeah! "Cool" and "Wow"

thats almost funny, except its not. And I don't smoke or wear wigs. Your stereoptypes have contributed so much to the dialogue.

[TSmelissacarter]

Agree with CreativeMind, he has good standpoints and its only ridiculous to call them "fascist".
He is NOT what TS or women in general hates most, its rather all what Melissa stands for that is a nightmare for most men who wants a serius relationship.

You know nothing, I live it I am it you show us nothing, until then you're a 1" x 1" anonymous square.

[TSmelissacarter]

LMAO!!! Wait...wait...I have to come to Smoldering's defense because once again this is just TOO good to pass up. Tell you what, Ms. Ego Head Case, here's what no one can comically fathom...

If you actually have "thousands of fans" who adore you AS an artist and a writer (your exact words), then WHY the hell would you even NEED to work as an escort? Seriously, if you're a REAL writer or artist with "thousands of fans" then WHY do you need to have sex with strangers for cash? Not to mention, if you have such a large and committed fan base that is SO dedicated to following your creative work -- which in turn MUST give you some economic freedom -- then WHY would you also possibly jeopardize any loving relationship that you could pursue by being a sex worker?

Me, I just ask speaking as someone who actually HAS written things that have sold in the thousands (and thousands and thousands on top of that) and who HAS made a living as a professional writer. But a funny thing, while I was out at the bank cashing my checks, I don't recall ever needing to work as an escort on the side. Nor do I recall suddenly feeling an urgent need to screw around on someone that I was currently seeing. Why? Gee, maybe because actually having thousands of people purchase my work actually did allow me to pay the bills, which in turn allowed me to center my romantic focus on whoever I was seeing at the time.

So, who exactly are these "thousands of fans" adoring you? I just ask (and openly mock) considering that each of your posts contains the link to your web site, which in turn leads to your online blog. Yet I see that your latest blog entry generated a whopping ONE guy posting in the comments section.

Gee, claiming to have "thousands" of fans versus ONE guy visiting your blog and people now not even booking you.
Yeah, those numbers balance out... in a Twilight Zone dimension!



LMAO!!!!!! Now you're a "revered" member of the TS world? You're suddenly a perceived LEADER in the TS world? Gee, that's rather laughable since it's coming from the very same person who previously has ranted that she would NOT help anyone coming up behind her or be supportive with advice or offer any help to a fellow TS. So, with an attitude as self-serving as yours, now you think you're "revered" by your fellow TS?

Well, why not?
Since you have imaginary fans, you might as well believe in imaginary adulation TOO :p

Why don't you visit other pages of mine loser, try this one:

http://360.yahoo.com/hottiemelissa2004

Oh gee 290,000 page views.

Go to any one of a dozen different transsexual sites and say something negative about me (www.hungangels.com, www.shemaleyum.com, www.thereroticreview.com, www.bestgfe.com, www.shemalereview.com) they will rip you a new asshole. But that's probably what you want.


And while you're at it, read some of my published stories right now all I see is a guy claiming to be an actor a writer an artist. Tell us who you are Bruce Willis or is it Tom Clancy?

This is the last I'll say about it, I actually have to get ready for my implant surgery, see I have a life, a life that apparently 290,000 times was worth readinmg about.

Case closed, go back to your pathetic snipes you look silly.

[CreativeMind]

Why don't you visit other pages of mine loser, try this one:

http://360.yahoo.com/hottiemelissa2004

Oh gee 290,000 page views.


Oh gee, more fun with fake Melissa math.
Of course, as is usual with Melissa-isms, you have to read between the lines...

Gee, 290,000 views over 2 1/2 YEARS? Wow, that number means so much to a guy whose last project sold 70,000 in one month alone. Which means you're also not even in my league since another project of mine sold nearly 1,000,000. Oh, and in case you're mathematically challenged, Melissa, that's 70,000 plus the 1 million plus the figures on other things, which means my numbers instantly dwarf your 290.

Not to mention, page "views" are always a deceptively false number. In fact, here's a news flash for you about Yahoo: every time YOU look at your own 360 page, it counts as a "view"... when you type up a new blog post and hit enter, technically updating the page, it counts as a view... if you refresh the page, to simply be sure that your new entry looks and reads right, its another view. The result: you can add 3, 4, or 10 views a shot to your "views" count all while simply trying to add a single new entry. Translation: the "view" numbers ramp up very, very quickly which makes the overall tally pointless.

Of course, here's the more telling truth. If 290,000 "views" were truly reflective of your "fan" base, then why only 200 friends? People who actually want to be notified of any updates about you? Why is that yet again you love to brag about how many "fans" you have... about how "revered" you are... and yet you have only ONE PERSON posting a comment at your blog? Gee, you'd think that someone -- no, a actual super star! -- who had 290,000 fans would have more than ONE GUY wanting to say something to them. That alone speaks volumes about how "off" your 290,000 number is from reality.

Which ultimately brings us to the HUGE difference between us, Melissa. You're ridiculously trying to compare the number of people who checked out a FREE web page to the number of people who actually PAID for something. You're laughably trying to compare the number of people who read a ranting post of yours and thought "Who the hell is this person?", at which point they clicked on a link and checked out your profile, versus in my case they actually reached into their pocket and said "Hey, this looks so good that I'll actually spend some of my own hard-earned money to BUY it."

Sorry, they're not the same thing by a mile.
But nice try again, Ace.

[CreativeMind]

This is the last I'll say about it, I actually have to get ready for my implant surgery, see I have a life, a life that apparently 290,000 times was worth reading about. Case closed, go back to your pathetic snipes you look silly.

LMAO! I have to say I find it hysterical that this is the billionth time that you've declared you have "no time to talk about things", yet you keep coming back and posting away. And frankly, you're the one looking a bit silly now with all the sarcastic comments, name-calling, and pathetic snipes at fellow board members here. In fact, here's an observation that everyone can clearly see now...

Have you noticed, Melissa, that you CAN'T leave well enough alone? Have you noticed that you just HAVE to get the last word in, to always try and drown out any opposing thought? To make sure it's YOUR way or NO way at all? As proof of this, have you noticed that you often post a response to something and then...even after some time has passed and even after the comments have moved onward...that in a sure sign of a personality that just can't let go, you will actually go back and excerpt someone's post yet again, all so you can post yet again on the very same comment? In other words, you'll actually reply to something you already replied to!

You responded to my post about your fan base (in Post 142) and said: "And may I add my popularity is something I will not defend. When I state I have thousands of fans that is no exxageration." Really? Gee, so then what's up with this post? What happened to this being something "I will not defend." I thought you had nothing more to say on the matter. And yet -- what a shock! -- here you are again, this time trotting out Yahoo figures that took me all of 30 seconds to rip apart and show how meaningless they are.

So, I guess in the future whenever you declare "this is the last I'll say about it" what you REALLY mean is we can all look forward to another post where -- yet again -- you'll try to get the last word in.

Me, I can't wait.
Because I'm sure it'll be another rant that I can -- yet again -- debunk in 30 seconds flat.

[rhythmic delivery]

this thread has turned into a pissing contest, who gives a fuck how many people have read your shit. thats for both of you.

[q1a2z3]

Hey if we love each other who cares what kinda "job" she has. As long as she takes precautions to stay disease free does it matter that she wears knee pads to work? Just think of the all the guys she meets in a week. You could chronicle her career in a book or even several books and make a fortune. I would be more concerned with the following:

1. In later years you can both see the same urologist.
2. Damn! Honey, have you been using my rogaine?
3. Smoking! Seems like most of those "gals" haven't heard the word yet about
how bad smoking is.
4. Get 2-for-1 deals on wigs.
5. Help her pick out a draw string for her anus.
6. When you get up to pee at night she's already sitting there on the can!
Why? Because you are both genetically identical - XY!


Oh yeah! "Cool" and "Wow"

1. Words have gender - People have sex.
2. You need to look up the definition of Fascism.
3. Just because someone believes they are Napoleon doesn't make him (or her) Napoleon. Ronald Regan may have let the mentally ill out of the hospitals, but the judges are falsely providing the mentally ill with legal definitions where there are no scientific ones. People are sick of sick judges and have passed prop 8 in California.

[Bionca]

1. Words have gender - People have sex.
2. You need to look up the definition of Fascism.
3. Just because someone believes they are Napoleon doesn't make him (or her) Napoleon. Ronald Regan may have let the mentally ill out of the hospitals, but the judges are falsely providing the mentally ill with legal definitions where there are no scientific ones. People are sick of sick judges and have passed prop 8 in California.

I'm curious what your point being here is.. seriously..

1) words have gender..indeed they do - people have sex.. sure. People also have identity that includes gender. People also have biological sex that is not neatly classified (XXX and XXY for example)

2) I think Melissa's assessment of your post was pretty spot on

3) Ahh.. so my understanding of myself is a mental illness? Gay folks seeking legal recognition of their relationships is mental illness? Trolling Message Boards on the Internet is....???

[Bionca]

Hey if we love each other who cares what kinda "job" she has. As long as she takes precautions to stay disease free does it matter that she wears knee pads to work? Just think of the all the guys she meets in a week. You could chronicle her career in a book or even several books and make a fortune. I would be more concerned with the following:

1. In later years you can both see the same urologist.
2. Damn! Honey, have you been using my rogaine?
3. Smoking! Seems like most of those "gals" haven't heard the word yet about
how bad smoking is.
4. Get 2-for-1 deals on wigs.
5. Help her pick out a draw string for her anus.
6. When you get up to pee at night she's already sitting there on the can!
Why? Because you are both genetically identical - XY!


Oh yeah! "Cool" and "Wow"

1) Sure, I suppose... or I'll just stick to my own doctor, or get a gynocologist if I decide to have SRS
2) One of the lovely things about taking hormone therapy is, well, is stops male pattern baldness. You can keep the rogaine
3) Yeah, lots of folks smoke.
4) See #2
5) WTF?
6) People are not genetically identical. I also didn't know that having to take a pee in the middle of the night was exclusively a man-thing. My mom would be amazed.

[sultryNnYs]

Wow, after reading through most of the comments in this thread I'm amazed to see people flaming other people for their opinion. I know I'm new to this forum and I have not read Melissa's story yet, but flaming someone for an opinion seems to be going to far.

If a person chooses to do a certain job - read this correctly, chooses - then that's a choice they make. But, the "sex industry" has a strange reputation either way you look at it. From what I saw so far on this forum though, and I came here for a reason, there's a bigger want for tgirls then there are tgirls around. So I think we should be glad there are girls out there who stomach the sometimes "far fetched" fantasies some men have out there.

On the other hand, if somebody is against doing escort work, the moral blah aside, it's their opinion. They may have the wrong arguments but be realistic, if you react strongly, it'll only provoke more blah and will not change their minds. (not withstanding that you're making the correct point of course ;) )

To answer the original question: I have not been in the situation myself so I cannot say anything conclusively really. I trust though I'm open minded enough to accept it as a part of my partners life. Just as I hope that she will accept that I work 12 hours a day ;) So the answer would be the option "it shouldn't" ;)

Well, before this turns into a book :) I hope that the surgery went as you hoped Melissa and you're recovering from it well.

[DEFENDER]

Wow, after reading through most of the comments in this thread I'm amazed to see people flaming other people for their opinion. I know I'm new to this forum and I have not read Melissa's story yet, but flaming someone for an opinion seems to be going to far.

If a person chooses to do a certain job - read this correctly, chooses - then that's a choice they make. But, the "sex industry" has a strange reputation either way you look at it. From what I saw so far on this forum though, and I came here for a reason, there's a bigger want for tgirls then there are tgirls around. So I think we should be glad there are girls out there who stomach the sometimes "far fetched" fantasies some men have out there.

On the other hand, if somebody is against doing escort work, the moral blah aside, it's their opinion. They may have the wrong arguments but be realistic, if you react strongly, it'll only provoke more blah and will not change their minds. (not withstanding that you're making the correct point of course ;) )

To answer the original question: I have not been in the situation myself so I cannot say anything conclusively really. I trust though I'm open minded enough to accept it as a part of my partners life. Just as I hope that she will accept that I work 12 hours a day ;) So the answer would be the option "it shouldn't" ;)

Well, before this turns into a book :) I hope that the surgery went as you hoped Melissa and you're recovering from it well.

Could'nt have put this any better.......exactly how I feel......As to the original question:.... you can meet, fall in love and have a successful, long-term and beautiful relationship with a TS escort! My partner was escorting when we met and now share a loving, close and very satisfying life together.

[moonwalkermoon]

How about it guys,

If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?

After all the heated up discussions:

Simple answer to a simple question: YES!

And it doesn't matter whether she is a TS or a GG.

I'm not talking about "being together" or other sorts of loose relationships. If I am truly in love with someone I want everything related to love (and that incluces all sorts of sexual activities) to be exclusive between me and my loved one.

I would rather tend to work harder to compensate for the loss in income if my loved one gave up escorting because I would assume it to be "just a job to raise income".

If she would insist in continuing escorting I would suspect it could be more than a job.

Apart from that escorting is as much an acceptable job as any other.

At some points in the debate you sound a bit outraged but that may be attributed to the experiences you have made with "guys".

I can assure you that you have my FULL respect as a TS or escort or whatever because in the first place you are a human being and as such as valuable to me as any other human being as long as you don't prove to be an asshole.

And up to this point I have no evidence that you are. :)

[dirty30]

How about it guys,

If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship? i love whorish sluts,and i don't give a :censored: if i have to pay for play ,at least i don't sit home fantasizing about romance and love,all i want to do is fuck and suck...........:inlove:

[oldawg]

How about it guys,

If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?

to get back to the original question,
for myself, if a ts is an escort/adult entertainer that does not automatically rule out romance. there are many levels and ways to romance someone, & i am certainly agreeable to a good number of those ways, if, of course, the girl & i find our space to groove.
however, i know myself well & if i felt the desire to take the relationship to a deeper level, or if it naturally was becoming something more intimate & personal, i could not live with my girl giving herself to others. thats just me. maybe thats selfish, but that is what is important to me. i also hold myself to the same standards though...i dont want to be with others when i have my girl by my side. to me, thats the best part of life, when i find a girl that is my best friend, lover, playmate, kink-explorer, buddy, trusted partner, teacher, student, etc, all rolled up into one great relationship. ive had a few longer-term situations in my time, & im hoping to one day find the one who will go the distance with me. for these reasons, it would hurt me too much, id get jealous, upset, & crazy if i felt this type of deeply for someone & they were lying down with someone else.

so, romance, no problem...deeper relationship, no way...& the past is the past, ill never hold that against her.

this is just my honest answer to a tough question, sorry if you dont agree, but its my answer.

ok-so now i see that the question asks if she told me after, or as i was getting head over heels for her. in this case, unfortunately, i still couldnt live with it. if i tried to put up with it, i just know id end up raising hell, so i couldnt stay. however, if she was head over heels for me too, then she would know this & she wouldnt want to put me through that anyway.

i feel that if its true love, that is whats most important (to me), & any occupation pales in comparison to true love.

again, just my honest answer,
oldawg

[asefase1]

i've only been a member for a couple of days, and it was by accident from what i googled. but i've recently, while exploring the site, been discovering some interesting topics, like this one. not like i'm any kind of expert, but i think there's a fine line between escort and prostitute. i don't know the mechanics, but i know sex in exchange for money is involved in both. so i wonder if the pay is good enough before the sex (in the case of escorting, obviously) that it's easy enough to give up upon entering a meaningful relationship. it's kind of cliche to say that sacrifices need to be made in a relationship, compromises i understand. i think that most people who are in the escort business rarely fall for a client, though i could be wrong. maybe a similar situation would be porn stars falling for each other. there would be a concern for the average person in a relationship with a professional. trust can only go so far and it is different on a case by case basis. some people habitually lie. that being said, you can't really have a rule of thumb for every relationship. some people can be trusted while others can't. it may be contingent on the magnitude of the feelings each in the relationship have for one another. obviously each person will react differently to the news that their mate works in the profession, and some who are in the profession are more easily capable of compartmentalizing their feelings when doing their jobs. to accept it or not is actually only part of the question that should be asked, what is also a factor in this sort of situation is how genuine each person's feelings are for the other in the relationship, regardless of the genders involved. it can only be on a case by case basis. sorry if that raised more questions than it answered

[asefase1]

i realized that i didn't actually answer the question. i wouldn't be able to accept this part of my mate's life because i am a possessive person and feel that kind of attention should be reserved only for the person you love. some people are less jealous than me in a relationship, but since when i fall for someone, i dedicate all my heart to that person, i feel that if it's meant to be it will be a mutual deication. sorry if that disappoints anyone, but like i said, that's just me. it's different on a case by case basis

[HelgaTS]

how am I kidding? this is a totaly legitimate question from a TS escort.

I'm a TS Escort in her 60's and have no trouble attracting girlfriends. I'm upfront with them some dont like it, who cares