Bailey Jay is a bust.

[Sigma]

There was a lot of hype of Bailey Jay's new site. It has received a lot of praise. However, I disagree about the praise she has gotten. She has made a very poor porn product.

Bailey Jay's early video content was extremely bad. That's just an understatement. The video quality was unwatchable. The SMC Network normally has good quality, but Bailey was not close to those standards. This is 2010 your early videos should not look like a 1990s amateur video. Paying members made compliments in comments. How did Bailey respond? Instead of improving quality she disabled member comments. She also removed her own forum as well because of the compliments. That's professional.:frown: However, apparently Bailey finally got a new cameraman to do her videos, and thankfully the quality has improved.

Bailey Jay does have hardcore scenes with guys. However she only shoots scenes with guys in POV. However, her content with Tgirls is not in POV. POV has limited angles. I doubt most members only want to see her have sex with guys in POV.

Finally her solo scenes are very boring. She does not talk dirty in her videos. In some videos she does not say one word.

In my final words, Bailey Jay has delivered a poor product. Her pretty face is the only reason why the poor quality of her product is overlooked.

[smc]

There was a lot of hype of Bailey Jay's new site. It has received a lot of praise. However, I disagree about the praise she has gotten. She has made a very poor porn product.

Judging from this and many other posts, I think it is safe to conclude one or more of the following:

Sigma believes that he is the arbiter of quality in porn. He does not express his opinion as opinion, but as fact. Only he, it would seem knows what is good in porn, and what people want. The fact that people pay for something where he might not has nothing to do with it.

and/or

Sigma represents porn purveyors who compete with those he consistently badmouths on this site.

[Sigma]

I did express my opinion as an opinion. Did you not read the third sentence?

Also a person does not need to always say "in my opinion". Opinions are expressed by using adjectives. Opinions also cannot be proven to be true. However they are also not false. That's why they are called opinions.

[smc]

I did express my opinion as an opinion. Did you not read the third sentence?

Also a person does not need to always say "in my opinion". Opinions are expressed by using adjectives. Opinions also cannot be proven to be true. However they are also not false. That's why they are called opinions.

I stand by what I wrote, and anyone who reads your many negative posts about transgender porn sites and content providers has high likelihood of coming to the same conclusion, IN MY OPINION. (I encourage others to check out your other posts about porn sites and providers.)

It is not true that "opinions" cannot be proven to be true, nor are they false. Opinions that are predicated on false information or false assumptions can themselves be false, because they are not really opinions, but misstatements of fact masquerading as opinions.

Nevertheless, at issue here is that in your posts you present yourself as the arbiter of quality. You write: "In my final words, Bailey Jay has delivered a poor product. Her pretty face is the only reason why the poor quality of her product is overlooked."

This is a statement presented as fact, and it is insulting to others, too, because you position yourself as the all-knowing person who recognizes the poor quality, whereas all the other dumb slobs are so taken by Bailey's "pretty face" that they "overlook" everything else.

Has it occurred to you that Bailey Jay is a superstar not because of dupes, but because the majority of people who have contributed to making her a superstar simply don't see things the way you do?

As I read it, you have a need to compensate for the fact that you don't like being in the minority by impugning the cognizant abilities of those who don't agree with you. That's my opinion.

[Sigma]

Nevertheless, at issue here is that in your posts you present yourself as the arbiter of quality. You write: "In my final words, Bailey Jay has delivered a poor product. Her pretty face is the only reason why the poor quality of her product is overlooked."

This is a statement presented as fact, and it is insulting to others, too, because you position yourself as the all-knowing person who recognizes the poor quality, whereas all the other dumb slobs are so taken by Bailey's "pretty face" that they "overlook" everything else.

Has it occurred to you that Bailey Jay is a superstar not because of dupes, but because the majority of people who have contributed to making her a superstar simply don't see things the way you do?


You misinterpreted my statement. I was not calling anyone dumb. It is known in the porn business that some girls are popular for their looks, and the poor quality of their performances are often overlooked. That's the cast that I'm making about Bailey. Sure she is very sexy. A lot of people do not care about the quality of porn as long as the girl is sexy.

Again it is just an opinion. I do not hold the title of the "all knowing being". Just because I'm the only member who has the balls to criticize someone does not mean that I think I'm better than others.

[Nikki]

I think Bailey Jay is very hot :)

[aw9725]

Again it is just an opinion... ...Just because I'm the only member who has the balls to criticize someone does not mean that I think I'm better than others.

Anyone can have an ?opinion.? A two year old can have an ?opinion.? That excuse ?I?m just expressing my opinion? is just BS and doesn?t cut it. I suppose most of us don?t post critical comments here, not because we don?t ?have the balls? but perhaps because we seriously like (love?) and appreciate these beautiful women who perform for us.

[Sigma]

Anyone can have an ?opinion.? A two year old can have an ?opinion.? That excuse ?I?m just expressing my opinion? is just BS and doesn?t cut it. I suppose most of us don?t post critical comments here, not because we don?t ?have the balls? but perhaps because we seriously like (love?) and appreciate these beautiful women who perform for us.

Your comment is very weird to me because in the straight porn community people are more open to criticize someone's performances. I have not attacked the person Bailey Jay. I attacked her product. Not once did I judge her for who she is.

I appreciate girls who are attractive and give good performances. Being a transsexual does not give a tgirl the right to be appreciated by doing porn. She needs to earn her appreciation by producing a good product. I don't expect people to appreciate me without earning it.

Another weird thing is you said "love". I don't understand why it is so common to see tgirl porn watchers say they love someone who they never met. It's seems creepy and stalker like.

Instead of having an actually debate a couple of members decided to be offended.

[Tread]

I have not attacked the person Bailey Jay. I attacked her product. Not once did I judge her for who she is.

Instead of having an actually debate a couple of members decided to be offended.

Calling Bailey Jay a bust in the Title does not sound like you only attack her product.

You don?t seems to have the intention of having an actually debate. You start Threads with dismissive titles and try to find others who share your view.

Just because I'm the only member who has the balls to criticize someone does not mean that I think I'm better than others.

Making things/products, conditions (POV, Hardcore), or people bad because you personally dislike it/them or their doing has nothing to do with having balls to criticize. I think you created this thread only to make her site bad, and boost up your opinion.

You could have expressed that you want to see more hardcore, dirty talking, ? of her or anything like that, but instead you call her, the site and her products a bust. A respectful or constructive criticism is something different.

[aw9725]

Your comment is very weird to me because in the straight porn community people are more open to criticize someone's performances. I have not attacked the person Bailey Jay. I attacked her product. Not once did I judge her for who she is.

I appreciate girls who are attractive and give good performances. Being a transsexual does not give a tgirl the right to be appreciated by doing porn. She needs to earn her appreciation by producing a good product. I don't expect people to appreciate me without earning it.

Another weird thing is you said "love". I don't understand why it is so common to see tgirl porn watchers say they love someone who they never met. It's seems creepy and stalker like.

Instead of having an actually debate a couple of members decided to be offended.

YOU seem very weird and creepy to me. Also your comments come across as very ill informed, selfish, and childish. "Love" is a figure of speech--anyone who read my post would know how I intended it. Incidentially I see an awful lot of posts on here that use the :heart: and :inlove: icons. I doubt we are all "stalkers." :lol:

There is nothing to debate.

[Sigma]

How are my comments ill-informed? I am a member of the Tgirl Network. I do enjoy the sites and their content. I am not pleased with Bailey's product. Criticizing someone can be seen as selfish, but it's not childish.

I have seen a lot of people on many different tgirl sites say they "love" the girl. There is no other type of porn that has this many people saying "I love her". I've been a member on some of the top straight porn sites. It is rare to see someone say "I love her". However, it is very common to see that on a tgirl site.

The quality of her product was up for debate. Don't twist things around.

[smc]

Your comment is very weird to me because in the straight porn community people are more open to criticize someone's performances. I have not attacked the person Bailey Jay. I attacked her product. Not once did I judge her for who she is.

I appreciate girls who are attractive and give good performances. Being a transsexual does not give a tgirl the right to be appreciated by doing porn. She needs to earn her appreciation by producing a good product. I don't expect people to appreciate me without earning it.

Another weird thing is you said "love". I don't understand why it is so common to see tgirl porn watchers say they love someone who they never met. It's seems creepy and stalker like.

Instead of having an actually debate a couple of members decided to be offended.

You have now elevated yourself to the master level on this site of people who run from what they say, don't take responsibility for the actual words they use, and hide behind "opinion."

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

[Sigma]

You have now elevated yourself to the master level on this site of people who run from what they say, don't take responsibility for the actual words they use, and hide behind "opinion."

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

I am clearly winning the debate because NO one has spoken about the topic. Instead members are upset that I criticized one of their favorites.

[Sigma]

1. It is your responsibility to ensure that you are understood. Instead, you blame me for misinterpretation.


I was very clear in my opening. I'm not responsible for your lack of reading and comprehending skills.

[rockabilly]

To be fair Bailey is just getting started , she does her guy scenes POV to give her guy fans the illusion of being the guy fucking her ... and while it limits what positions are used it does have perks. And nothing ruins a good jerk more than when the cam is on the girl then jumps to the dudes face! Nooooooo focus the cam on her dammit !

She will improve w/ time and bigger budgets.

[smc]

I am clearly winning the debate because NO one has spoken about the topic. Instead members are upset that I criticized one of their favorites.

Not a single one of my comments has anything to do with whether Bailey Jay is one of my favorites or whether I have any interest in her whatsoever. It is about what you write and how you present your "opinions." The actual content is secondary.

As aw9725 put it ...

[Sigma]

To be fair Bailey is just getting started , she does her guy scenes POV to give her guy fans the illusion of being the guy fucking her ... and while it limits what positions are used it does have perks. And nothing ruins a good jerk more than when the cam is on the girl then jumps to the dudes face! Nooooooo focus the cam on her dammit !

She will improve w/ time and bigger budgets.

The problem with this is the fact that the other SMC girls had good video quality in their early videos. It seems odd that Bailey could not get someone to film good quality.

Does every guy scene have to be in POV? Isn't the point of porn is to fantasize regardless of the video style? I don't like POV scenes. Although I would not mind if not all of her guy scenes were POV. The other SMC girls do have POV, they also have regular view porn as well for their members.

[Tread]

Sigma, you are allowed to purchase a product or a service. You can only choose if you want it or not. You own nobody and can?t dictate anybody because you are a paying member. You can voice your wishes, but don?t bash on something because you prefer it different.

I think your whole complaining threads sound a bit like this:
There is a major problem in my town, there are way too less restaurants where you can get quality food.
The steak house is a totally bust, because you have to wait a long time until I get my food and no drive in counter.
The Frenchman is totally overrated, because they have so much courses, knifes, forks and spoons. And you get nothing in a bun.
The Indian (the one from Asia) is a totally hole, everything is so spicy, and you don?t get beef.
The Japanese is a wash-out, they sell cold rice products and even raw fish. There is absolutely nothing with cheese.
The Italian is a flop. They make too much pasta, and the pizza is too big. They have to sell something in a handy bag.
The big problem stays: There are not enough restaurants, and most are foreigners.
Only the fast food burgers are good. But there are only five fast food chains here and one of them sells only friggin chicken.

[tsfever]

You have now elevated yourself to the master level on this site of people who run from what they say, don't take responsibility for the actual words they use, and hide behind "opinion."

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

Kinda interesting, SMC. I may or may not agree with Sigma, however, you are making a personal attack by stating that Sigma is "running away" from his statement, or won't "take responsibility" for his words, and "hide behind 'opinion'".

In the past I noticed that you , as a Moderator, "kicked" people for a political statement that simply asked the poster to re-think his statement through the eyes of the people that it affects. I hope this will not be your choice again

I actually disagree with Sigma, however, there is no need to attack him.

[smc]

Kinda interesting, SMC. I may or may not agree with Sigma, however, you are making a personal attack by stating that Sigma is "running away" from his statement, or won't "take responsibility" for his words, and "hide behind 'opinion'".

In the past I noticed that you , as a Moderator, "kicked" people for a political statement that simply asked the poster to re-think his statement through the eyes of the people that it affects. I hope this will not be your choice again

I actually disagree with Sigma, however, there is no need to attack him.

I have not attacked him personally. I attacked his METHOD. A personal attack would be to call someone stupid, or a coward, or an idiot, or smelly, or a person with bad taste. I have done none of that.

Take a moment. Reread every one of his posts in this thread and his responses to those who challenged those posts. Take your time. Think about it carefully.

Now, come back and show us how he did NOT do what I wrote characterizing his approach to the debate.

[Sigma]

I did attack me by lying that I have changed the subject of the debate, but it was YOU WHO CHANGED the subject.
There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

You also have privately threaten to ban me when I have NOT broken any rules.

[smc]

I did attack me by lying that I have changed the subject of the debate, but it was YOU WHO CHANGED the subject.


You also have privately threaten to ban me when I have NOT broken any rules.

The subject is your way of attacking porn providers, in multiple posts including beyond this thread, and how you "defend" your approach when challenged. That is the subject of the debate that has unfolded.

My PM (the P stands for private, and that's how you should have responded) was not a threat that I would ban you. It was a warning that your responses lead you on the path to violating one of our rules. I should have made clear that were it to come to a ban, it would be someone else doing the banning, and in that respect I was not clear.

[Sigma]

The subject is your way of attacking porn providers, in multiple posts including beyond this thread, and how you "defend" your approach when challenged. That is the subject of the debate that has unfolded.

My PM (the P stands for private, and that's how you should have responded) was not a threat that I would ban you. It was a warning that your responses lead you on the path to violating one of our rules. I should have made clear that were it to come to a ban, it would be someone else doing the banning, and in that respect I was not clear.

Yes, you changed the subject from the original topic. Instead of debating about Bailey's product; you and many members have decided to get angry and attack me instead of actually debating about Bailey's product. If you have a problem with how I criticize people then tell me in a PM and STAY on topic with the ORIGINAL topic of this thread.

I have NOT violated any rules. I actually read the rules before I made this topic and posts.

I have only attacked providers who refused to shoot American Tgirls and I attacked Bailey's product.

[smc]

I have only attacked providers who refused to shoot American Tgirls and I attacked Bailey's product.

?Attack? indeed -- not posted something that allows for an objective measure of quality. That has been my point from the beginning. But since you ?asked,? I will take your initial post line by line and provide a response. See below.

There was a lot of hype of Bailey Jay's new site. It has received a lot of praise. However, I disagree about the praise she has gotten. She has made a very poor porn product.

You provide no basis upon which to determine that it is a ?very poor porn product? other than your own subjective desires about what you want to see. It is like saying that a 2010 BMW is a very poor automobile because it doesn?t have fins like a late 1950s Chevrolet, and you want it to have fins.

Bailey Jay's early video content was extremely bad. That's just an understatement. The video quality was unwatchable. The SMC Network normally has good quality, but Bailey was not close to those standards. This is 2010 your early videos should not look like a 1990s amateur video. Paying members made compliments in comments.

I assume that ?compliments? is a mistake. Why, if it was so bad, would anyone compliment the work? You must mean ?complaints.?

Define ?unwatchable.? Are you referring to the technical quality of the video? Or is it the camera angles and content? If the former, there can be some objective measure of quality. As for the latter two, it is again a question of personal preference. Bailey?s success suggests that your personal desires are in the minority, or that people want to see her irrespective of what she is doing on film and how. In either case, hers is a product that clearly sells.

How did Bailey respond? Instead of improving quality she disabled member comments. She also removed her own forum as well because of the compliments. That's professional.:frown: However, apparently Bailey finally got a new cameraman to do her videos, and thankfully the quality has improved.

See above re: technical quality and subjective measures.

Bailey Jay does have hardcore scenes with guys. However she only shoots scenes with guys in POV. However, her content with Tgirls is not in POV. POV has limited angles. I doubt most members only want to see her have sex with guys in POV.

Again, you express your personal desire as if it is an objective measure. YOU want to see her have sex with guys in ways other than POV. You presume others agree, but this is pure conjecture on your part. Again, her success suggests strongly that whether you are right is immaterial. People are voting with their memberships.

Finally her solo scenes are very boring. She does not talk dirty in her videos. In some videos she does not say one word.

YOU want her to talk dirty. Another viewer might prefer her to say nothing. What she says is not an objective measure of quality -- again, it is about your personal preference.

In my final words, Bailey Jay has delivered a poor product. Her pretty face is the only reason why the poor quality of her product is overlooked.

I think I?ve made my point. Some may agree; others may disagree.

[Sigma]

I admit her product does sell. However, I'll explain everything again to answer your question.

What I meant by unwatchable is the video quality and the angles. Like I said in the Op the videos looked like amateur porn. In her POV videos the cameraman has the camera viewed at her back so all we see is her skin.........:frown:

It is impossible to see if people are "voting" by renewing their memberships. The Tgirl Network features over ten sites with girls such as Kimber James, Vanity, Foxxxy, etc. The network has many top girls that some members maybe more interested in them than Bailey. However, people can join Bailey site at a lower cost by only buying access to Bailey's site. That's the only way to judge how many people are actually pleased with her product.

I just login the Tgirl Network to see the ratings of Bailey's POV hardcore movies. All of them have high ratings. The problem is there is no number of voters listed. It is impossible to say how many people voted.

I do know one thing for a fact. A lot of members made complaints about the quality and she no longer allows members to post comments. No other girl on the Tgirl Network has done this.

I have also downloaded her scene with Sarina. The video quality has slight improved. The quality of her scene is still subpar to the other girls of the Tgirl Network.

At the end of the day quality is subjective. What I see as quality will be different then other people. Quality is judged by what people WANT. It does not matter if someone is in the majority or minority it will be judged by what the group wants.

[JodieTs]

Sigma,
I think your whole complaining threads sound a bit like this:
There is a major problem in my town, there are way too less restaurants where you can get quality food.
The steak house is a totally bust, because you have to wait a long time until I get my food and no drive in counter.
The Frenchman is totally overrated, because they have so much courses, knifes, forks and spoons. And you get nothing in a bun.
The Indian (the one from Asia) is a totally hole, everything is so spicy, and you don?t get beef.
The Japanese is a wash-out, they sell cold rice products and even raw fish. There is absolutely nothing with cheese.
The Italian is a flop. They make too much pasta, and the pizza is too big. They have to sell something in a handy bag.
The big problem stays: There are not enough restaurants, and most are foreigners.
Only the fast food burgers are good. But there are only five fast food chains here and one of them sells only friggin chicken.

Brilliant!
I nominate this for post of the week. :respect:

[JodieTs]

I think Sigma has a fair point, though it could have been expressed differently.
Though I've not seen any Bailey Jay videos,
I don't like POV shots at all
specifically because the shot is done to let the viewer imagine
that they are the person penetrating the other performer.
That's about the biggest turn off for me in the whole world.
While I'm really sexually into other transsexual females
I'm not into penetrating them {or any one else for that matter}

Then again, other trans are probably not the target audience for Bailey

Some POV porn with a trans female penetrating another trans female would really do it for me
....as long as I didn't think of the performers 'at-the-time-reality'
of being hard through Viagra
and when penetrating the other performer thinking:
"god, I'm bored,
get some shopping on the way home,
don't forget to book a car service,
move to the side slightly for better lighting on the penetration shot,
mum's birthday Friday,
the shoot lights are really hot, I hope that my sweat doesn't show up too much on film,
ok fake the climax, now splatter the Galveston (http://www.gaviscon.co.uk/gaviscon_product_range/gaviscon_original.php)on her tits and face"

Oh the joys of porn shoots....:rolleyes:

[smc]

At the end of the day quality is subjective. What I see as quality will be different then other people. Quality is judged by what people WANT. It does not matter if someone is in the majority or minority it will be judged by what the group wants.

You ought to do a little bit more exploration of what the word "quality" actually means.

[Sigma]

You ought to do a little bit more exploration of what the word "quality" actually means.

Once again you completely avoided the subject at hand. I'm done with talking to you. You can't even debate. All you do is trying to demand how I criticize people.

Quality is based on the CONSUMERS' expectations. Not every consumer has the same expectations of a product. That is SUBJECTIVE.

[smc]

Once again you completely avoided the subject at hand. I'm done with talking to you. You can't even debate. All you do is trying to demand how I criticize people.

Quality is based on the CONSUMERS' expectations. Not every consumer has the same expectations of a product. That is SUBJECTIVE.

My response was reasonable. The subject is quality and that's what I wrote about. A significant part of any discourse is about ensuring that both sides understand terminology the same way and correctly. You don't like that I do that, so you falsely turn it into: "All you do is trying to demand how I criticize people."

Nevertheless, product quality has to do with the features and characteristics of a product that contribute to its ability to meed given requirements. Many of those requirements are subjective, and can only be measured by the individual. For instance, as ridiculous as it may seem, one might argue that red hair is a requirement on a pornstar and that a pornstar with brown hair, consequently, does not meet a quality standard. Again, it's a ridiculous use of the word "quality" but it is not incorrect, technically. However, some of those requirements are NOT subjective. In a car, the ability to meet standardized measures of braking ability or fuel economy, etc., are not subjective (the creation of the standard may be, but the meeting of it as a measure of quality is objective). That's all I said.

[ladyboyadmirer]

There was a lot of hype of Bailey Jay's new site. It has received a lot of praise. However, I disagree about the praise she has gotten. She has made a very poor porn product. In my final words, Bailey Jay has delivered a poor product. Her pretty face is the only reason why the poor quality of her product is overlooked.

I assume there is only one Bailey Jay (or Harley Quinn) and we are talking about this beautiful girl! If so, yes, she has a pretty face. But lest we forget; Gorgeous smile, charisma, perfect skin and a body to die for. She has a sexy voice too. :inlove:

[Trogdor]

I assume there is only one Bailey Jay (or Harley Quinn) and we are talking about this beautiful girl! If so, yes, she has a pretty face. But lest we forget; Gorgeous smile, charisma, perfect skin and a body to die for. She has a sexy voice too. :inlove:

Word.
Don't see anything wrong with her.